Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by swannodette » Thu, Sep 17, 2009, 11:37 PM UTC

Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]
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Re: Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by lucifer » Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 12:07 AM UTC

His observations on the conflation of identity/state/value in OO are very insightful (and I agree with them with the reservation that they apply nearly equally to simple structs of non-OO languages, as well).

But the conclusions drawn seem to be yet another attempt at deriving a paradigmatic model (of reality) that is "simplistic" (to borrow his critique of OO). If the object is now to graduate to subject -- a fine idea -- then we should remember that sentient modality of being includes repose, as well as action.

Re: Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by jayded » Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 1:29 AM UTC

Brilliant use of ANW's "Process and Reality" (considered by many as a meta-physical text) providing philosophical mappings to Clojure's approach of state, time etc.

Re: Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by icey » Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 1:40 AM UTC

Does anyone know if they recorded this as well? I've heard the Q&A session was also quite good.

Re: Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by justlearning » Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 2:05 AM UTC

icey wrote: post #4

Does anyone know if they recorded this as well? I've heard the Q&A session was also quite good.

i found this (concluding 4 mins):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRTx1oGG_1Y&feature=chann...

I am thirsty to watch the talk! anyone? torrents?

Re: Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by zaph0d » Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 3:47 AM UTC

I think Rich Hickey is all set to become one of the most influential figures of Computer Science. The process has already started :)

Re: Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by gruseom » Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 5:54 AM UTC

lucifer wrote: post #2

His observations on the conflation of identity/state/value in OO are very insightful (and I agree with them with the reservation that they apply nearly equally to simple structs of non-OO languages, as well). But the conclusions drawn seem to be yet another attempt at deriving a paradigmatic model (of reality) that is "simplistic" (to borrow his critique of OO). If the object is now to graduate to subject -- a fine i…

If the object is now to graduate to subject -- a fine idea -- then we should remember that sentient modality of being includes repose, as well as action.

Now there's a sentence that gives me a grad school flashback! What on earth (if not the fuck) is the "sentient modality of being"?

Re: Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by johnm » Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 6:44 AM UTC

icey wrote: post #4

Does anyone know if they recorded this as well? I've heard the Q&A session was also quite good.

Yes, most of the full talks are being recorded and will be posted.

Re: Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 6:48 AM UTC

zaph0d wrote: post #6

I think Rich Hickey is all set to become one of the most influential figures of Computer Science. The process has already started :)

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Re: Rich Hickey's Keynote: A deconstruction of object-oriented time [pdf]

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Post by baxter » Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 7:02 AM UTC

I found this fascinating. Does anyone have any knowledge of any other programming languages/environments that focus on time in a way comparable to that suggested in the presentation?