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Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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Craftbukkit was never licensable under the LGPL. From the projects inception, it contained proprietary, closed-source Mojang code used without a license. It's LGPL license was invalid from the start. From the get go we were plagued with issues and obstacles we needed to overcome, one of which we were sadly unable to tackle despite our best efforts: the legal barrier of licensing and permission. When starting the Bukk…

This is not how it works. When you write code, you are the owner unless you sell/disclaim all rights. You can contribute your code under a license, a license DOES NOT TRANSFER RIGHTS. Just because something else went wrong with the licensing of other code in the same project does not mean you lose your rights to the code. Now, in the bukkit project there's two sources of code: 1. Mojang owned closed-source 2. Contrib…

IANAL These are just some of my opinions gathered from information surrounding the Bukkit drama. I have spent a good deal of time this week researching what I could, but I can very well be wrong.

I'm not arguing that anyone, including Wesley, should have lost valid interests in the code they developed. Please consider the following scenarios:

1) Contributor was clear to license his contributions free end clear under the LGPL. They contributed them to a project that was a priori in violation of said license. If they were unaware of the conflicted project status and were led to believe it was valid LGPL, they should have sought correcting actions as a soon as they were made aware.

1.a) If they knew that contributing their code would directly create a violation of the LGPL, they shouldn't have contributed. If they knew and did it anyway, they are party to violating the license.

2) Contributor code is encumbered and isn't free to be licensed under the LGPL. Depending on circumstances, just because you type the keys doesn't mean you're completely clear of another entities interest in the work. In this case not only is the project encumbered but so is the contribution. It's unknown what the validity of any license would be in this case.

A case could be made that the trigger to this recent mess, Wesley's DMCA notice, is scenario #1. That the contributors were just recently made aware that the project they contributed to was violating the LGPL. They would be right to seek redress for the violation of the license. This is the process working like it's supposed to.

It could also be that we're seeing cases of #1.a (or if skeptical #2). Certain contributors weren't just submitting patches to an email list. They were also the ones accepting pull requests to the main repo. It would stand to reason that they would be aware of the status of the main project. It's a legal nightmare.

In _any_ of the three scenarios, the status of the project as a whole is still infringing. It's so encumbered that it can't be distributed and individual rights owners who are being violated should seek remedy. This doesn't take the rights away from anyone. If they have found their rights to be violated, they should speak to an attorney.

Addedum to 1.a "You can't violate your own license." The contributor could have dual-licensed the code under the LGPL, but then contributed it to the project under some other, unspecified license. That would be ok depending on the terms of the other license, but it's not documented and impossible to verify. Also, we have contributors stating that their LGPL licensed code being violated, which discounts this possibility.

Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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For US citizens/residents with billions, taxes are pretty much a constant 25%, since 1. almost everything is capital gains (which comes to 23.6%). Note that this was 15% under GWBush, so it was even better back then. 2. You can avoid state taxes by relocating to WA/TX (If I recall correctly, this was Bezos' motivation for starting Amazon in Washington). A lot of billionaires live in 0% state capital gains tax states,…

Notch is Swedish isn't he?

His tax rate is probably around 40-50%.

Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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Remember the Bungie acquisition? Remember why Microsoft wanted Halo -- to give XBox a killer-app? As much as I dislike indie shops getting sucked up into starships... let the well-funded VR wars begin!

Are there any other successful examples, esp with Microsoft? Halo seems like a wildly popular outlier.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios#Owned_franchi...

Fable, Gears of War, Forza Motorsport and (until Forza displaced it as the Gran Turismo for Xbox) Project Gotham Racing.

Mass Effect also started off as an Xbox exclusive.

Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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My kid loves it, but I'm the one who has to deal with the mods and the shitty YouTube videos and ad-filled garbage forums made by a community that's somehow never heard of GitHub. Hopefully Microsoft can reign in all of that crap and make the game less of a nightmare to maintain.

Why dont you just use something like Tekkit, FeedTheBeast, or ATLauncher? They bundle mods together and its a click and play ordeal. They are essentially just autoconfigs for Forge.

I find the most odd thing about minecraft is how much 3rd party adds to the game, but is in no way supported by mojang. Even when Things such as pistons and horses began as mods, and were implemented into the standard game years later.

Its been years since mojang announced they'd make a mod api, and it still doesn't exist.

Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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Is it fair to say that once you achieve "FU money", numbers start to lose their value? I can't imagine being able to say "no" to something like that. Although likely for something like Minecraft, it'd be stock options/cash mix.

Maybe Notch's perspective is that Minecraft as an IP is worth more than that. He can probably ride it out for the next couple decades with sequels or other monetization techniques. Why take the big payment today when you can have the bigger payment on-going? Especially if you want to continue to make it your life's work. Look at some gaming stars from the past. John Romero didn't "make us his bitch" with his post iD…

It's probably very smart of Notch to retain what he can regarding the Minecraft IP. What a lot of people seem to miss is that Minecraft isn't only about the "official" game.

It's a platform for development. More importantly, it's a platform that lets many people create things in 3D without having to bother with OpenGL/etc.

If you think I'm talking about pixel art or other static things, or if you think I'm talking about mods, I suggest watching these, which are all stock minecraft only.

* SimCity reimplemented in vanilla redstone & in-game command blocks *

http://www.jigarbov.net/simburbia-map-release/

* FVDisco's Cake Defense, a wave-attack game with many features. (everything FVDisco has done is outstanding...) *

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwxD3axvgt4

* Razul, an older scripted rpg adventure game with command-block based quest system *

http://www.planetminecraft.com/project/razul---skyrim-inspir...

* Hypixel, a many-thousand player custom server that works with the stock client *

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BdSq8fMtY

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The larger ideas that Minecraft is effectively a prototype for is basically the VR environments we've wished for over the last several decades. We achieved a lot of the 3D graphics capability (and are ok with sound, the few cases where the developer bothers), but interactivity is just as important for immersion. Not being able to interact with things that are not part of the "intended" experience can rip you right out of your suspension of disbelief.

This interactivity is what Minecraft gets right, and we've barely scratched the surface.

Minecraft : interactive 3D voxel games :: NCSA Mosaic : hypertext documents

Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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I don't have any "FU money", but it seems very likely to me that once you have that sort of money, there are only a couple of reasons to run it up any further: 1) You have "Big Plans" that need funding (eg. Elon Musk) 2) Running up the numbers as a life gamification to "beat" your peers, or just because you can't stop chasing yourself, like one of those freak beast weightlifters that looks like a space monster but is…

Now I'm imagining Larry Ellison as a "freak beast weightlifter". Thanks.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth

Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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They still sell around 10k PC copies per day … It’s not growing, but it’s also not exactly shrinking (I remember obsessively checking those stats years ago and they always hovered around 10k), and hasn’t for years. Minecraft might be a different beast than other video games, truly more like Lego than video games actually. There are always new young people you can sell the game to and with constant maintenance for fre…

I like this strategy a lot. When you release something that, on day one, already has 'dated' graphics, you don't have to worry about keeping up with the latest graphics cards or poly-counts or anything of the sort. Its just about the game. Like Legos there are countless others, The Game of Life (Milton Bradley, not Conway) has been around since the 1800's. The beauty of this is that you've never completely saturated…

Nintendo likes that strategy too. But, it's arguably hurting them now.

Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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When you are dealing in billions, you don't pay taxes.

Oh come on . Not even gonna bother to ask you to back that up.

He probably won't, so I will (somewhat, he's definitely exaggerating, but probably not as much as you think):

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in12ms.xls

Effective tax rate plateaus at around a half mil in annual income, then starts going down again after around five million.

I couldn't find any hard data about brackets above that. Didn't Mitt Romney pay around 15%?

Then there's my all-time favorite quote, of Leona Helmsley:

>Only the little people pay taxes.

But, that's only anecdotal, heh :-)

Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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I bet Bill Gates has a hard time finding enough qualified people to wisely manage the money he is giving away. For example, if he has someone in charge of spending money on medical research, don't you think there is a point (a few billion) where they just don't know what else to spend money on? I mean, there are only so many medical researchers in the whole world. Of course you can always just throw money away/at peo…

No, this isn't really true. The NIH's budget is 30 billion a year, and that funding is already incredibly competitive. Private universities, other government sources such as NSF, NASA, and DoE, and private institutions then in addition spend an amount that dwarfs that number. On top of all of that, the last 6 years have seen cuts, layoffs, and an enormous amount of work go unfunded in the life sciences. Only about 16…

Have you talked to anyone who's been funded by the Gates Foundation? I have. It's rigorous, and very data-intensive. Whatever imaginary cache of research out there that might exist probably couldn't be qualified-up for a GF funding process.

I've done grant funding as well. People say they want money, but the minute you give them a deadline, they're gone, and they can't collect even the merest evidence required for due diligence.

Re: Microsoft Near Deal to Buy Minecraft Maker Mojang

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Is it fair to say that once you achieve "FU money", numbers start to lose their value? I can't imagine being able to say "no" to something like that. Although likely for something like Minecraft, it'd be stock options/cash mix.

I don't have any "FU money", but it seems very likely to me that once you have that sort of money, there are only a couple of reasons to run it up any further: 1) You have "Big Plans" that need funding (eg. Elon Musk) 2) Running up the numbers as a life gamification to "beat" your peers, or just because you can't stop chasing yourself, like one of those freak beast weightlifters that looks like a space monster but is…

Except for Steve Jobs and a few very rare exceptions, nobody really has a second act. Once you get the FU money, you might as well ride the first act for all it's worth cause that's all you're going to get...
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