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Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#31

It might be sacrilegious to ask, but what does this have to do with hacking (other than say, hacking down of oak trees). The fact that it's ranked so highly just goes to show the amount of ass kissing going on here.

I'll take a thoughtful essay on architecture and the power of government over the crap OMG look at this crazy Sh!t! and the self help How to lose weight/How to get a date/How to be social. articles which are hitting the front page more and more often.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#32

It might be sacrilegious to ask, but what does this have to do with hacking (other than say, hacking down of oak trees). The fact that it's ranked so highly just goes to show the amount of ass kissing going on here.

For the nth time: everything on Hacker News does not have to be about programming. This is a community made of real people who have real feelings and most importantly people who can have mature conversations about anything that matters.

Ass kissing? Ugh.

If you don't like a story, flag it. Stop whining or leave.

Also see http://lesswrong.com/lw/3h/why_our_kind_cant_cooperate

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#33
This reminds of the time they chopped down all the trees along Fergusson College Road in Pune. It was one of the most beautiful streets in the city with trees on both sides forming a canopy almost covering the entire street.

The excuse then was creating more space for vehicles and improving traffic flow.

The trees are gone; the traffic jams haven't. Very sad.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#34
post #22

It might be sacrilegious to ask, but what does this have to do with hacking (other than say, hacking down of oak trees). The fact that it's ranked so highly just goes to show the amount of ass kissing going on here.

It's a herd phenomenon. Even if PG writes something utterly pointless, he gets upvoted to the stratosphere. It would be nice if this changed. Intelligent and successful people like PG don't need this kind of adulation.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think this comment shows a slight lack of... something... hmm...

This is a bit disorganized, but I'll try to lay out how the gears are turning in my head:

When you implicitly call out a community or someone very admired in that community (whose also running things for free for a lot of people's enjoyment), it's courageous but it burns some of your future ability-to-speak-out-and-others-will-listen-edness.

If you were to make similar comments frequently, eventually people would just shrug it off instead of burning the mental energy to apply difficult critical thinking.

Now, I was one of those disagreeable kids who used to argue with teachers when they got their math or chemistry wrong, and eventually I stopped doing that and started thinking:

"Do I want to burn some of my speak-out-and-people-will-listen-edness on this particular topic?" Because you only have so much, and you might want to use it on something important later.

Does the tree submission get submitted and voted if it's not Paul Graham or another very admired poster? Probably not. But it's a minor thing to take a banner up against, and it just oh-so-slightly decreases the resources you have by taking up that banner. And maybe it minorly gets on the nerves of a few people, and they don't like it, and so you get oh-so-very-slightly less attention/goodwill in the future.

Or maybe not. Just something to ponder.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#35
post #32

It might be sacrilegious to ask, but what does this have to do with hacking (other than say, hacking down of oak trees). The fact that it's ranked so highly just goes to show the amount of ass kissing going on here.

For the nth time: everything on Hacker News does not have to be about programming. This is a community made of real people who have real feelings and most importantly people who can have mature conversations about anything that matters. Ass kissing? Ugh. If you don't like a story, flag it. Stop whining or leave. Also see http://lesswrong.com/lw/3h/why_our_kind_cant_cooperate

He said "ass kissing," not "ass kicking". I don't know if that makes a difference to you, though.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#36
It is sad though, that Cal. Ave, is considered on the most nicer areas of Sillicon Valley. There is nothing really special in it that you can't find in any dinky town in the us, minus the charm that small towns have. Compare to any nice areas to Cambridge, or W. D.C. or NYC, or Boulder. With the money flowing in the area, that that's what they can achieve? At least during the gilded age, the rich folks built memorial things, that are part of this country's cultural heritage. Todays' rich, just build bigger pools or planes, and that's it.

Tells you something about rich geeks being really introverted, and just want to keep on themselves.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#37
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the nth time: everything on Hacker News does not have to be about programming. This is a community made of real people who have real feelings and most importantly people who can have mature conversations about anything that matters. Ass kissing? Ugh. If you don't like a story, flag it. Stop whining or leave. Also see http://lesswrong.com/lw/3h/why_our_kind_cant_cooperate

He said "ass kissing," not "ass kicking". I don't know if that makes a difference to you, though.

Ooh got carried away in anger there.

Corrected, thanks.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#38
post #4

Private owners respect and conserve their resources. Governments (which is to say, politicians with short lifespans in their job) use up resources in a rush to accomplish short term, idiotic goals. You can look at the environmental records of capitalist countries versus centrally managed totalitarian states. ...or you can look at golf courses (which don't "cut down all the trees to keep things tidy") and compare them…

I'd say that totalitarian states tend to have governments that last longer than in capitalist countries (even though I feel that the capitalistic aspect is not related to the totalitarian part…), thus I'd say that capitalist countries are more likely to want to "accomplish short term, idiotic goals".

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#39
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a herd phenomenon. Even if PG writes something utterly pointless, he gets upvoted to the stratosphere. It would be nice if this changed. Intelligent and successful people like PG don't need this kind of adulation.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think this comment shows a slight lack of... something... hmm... This is a bit disorganized, but I'll try to lay out how the gears are turning in my head: When you implicitly call out a community or someone very admired in that community (whose also running things for free for a lot of people's enjoyment), it's courageous but it burns some of your future ability-to-speak-out-a…

Interesting post, but since a lot of people here seem to make a big deal about their objectivity, I can see why this would annoy TriinT enough that he'd post about it. As you imply, he might've thought about it and decided it was worth risking some of that goodwill.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

#40

It might be sacrilegious to ask, but what does this have to do with hacking (other than say, hacking down of oak trees). The fact that it's ranked so highly just goes to show the amount of ass kissing going on here.

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