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We need good engineers in tech. It shouldn't matter if they are male or female. This article is as gender biased as the people it is against.
It's the main reason why I can't really take it seriously.
Ok, something about this story seems a bit amiss. Gayle Laakmann is complaining about people thinking she is a recruiter, supposedly because she's a woman. Hmm, I'm curious - who is this person? How does she portray herself? Are there any other possible reasons people might view her as someone working in the general HR space? http://www.gayle.com/consulting/ I can't imagine why a consultant who helps with "Technical…
But because she's a woman who knows both programming and job interviews, you latch onto her recruiting aspect, and not her programming side. And note that people assumed she was a recruiter and not a programmer after she'd been talking code for an hour, not after she'd been talking job interviews for an hour.
It's not just about what she is, it's about how people choose to look at her, based on her gender.
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> and that's a good thing because there doesn't seem to be a lot of dedicated "software development" majors in existence. Actually, I think it's a bad thing. The sooner Computer Science and Software Engineering become separate disciplines, the better.
SEs need to know results from CS. That might be seen as separate, but knowing results and when to apply which, I think requires one to be at least a bit CS-educated. So, no, they're not separate in the ideal case, but obviously, results in CS are arrived at through mathematics and rigorous proofs, whereas resutls in SE are usually produced via code.
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Obviously it is sexism if you doubt the coding ability of a female because she's female. HN fucking sucks for these topics.
No one is doubting her ability because she's female. But you should be allowed to doubt their ability no matter their gender is.
Yes, of course you can doubt people's ability regardless of their gender, but it doesn't happen regardless of gender, it happens because of gender. People start out thinking: "Woman. Probably not a good coder. Ah, see? She knows about job interviews! She's a recruiter! Not a programmer at all." Had it been a man, they'd be: "Hey, this programmer knows a lot about job interviews!"
So her talk was on tech interviews and someone thought she was a recruiter? Doesn't seem that big a stretch...
People thought she was not a programmer even though she wrote a book about programming interviews.
Ok, something about this story seems a bit amiss. Gayle Laakmann is complaining about people thinking she is a recruiter, supposedly because she's a woman. Hmm, I'm curious - who is this person? How does she portray herself? Are there any other possible reasons people might view her as someone working in the general HR space? http://www.gayle.com/consulting/ I can't imagine why a consultant who helps with "Technical…
If it was a man who claimed to be a programmer and who wrote the book on passing technical interviews for programmers, would you doubt he was a programmer? But because she's a woman who knows both programming and job interviews, you latch onto her recruiting aspect, and not her programming side. And note that people assumed she was a recruiter and not a programmer after she'd been talking code for an hour , not after…
Reading anecdotes like this makes me so disappointed in my gender. Why do some people marginalize other groups so eagerly? I see so much "bro culture" in our field, and it feels inescapable. Every time I experience it, I literally cringe. I'm not even a party to being singled out; I can't imagine what it must be like to have this garbage directed at you. The sad thing is, I used to be picked on and ostracized by thes…
these kinds of responses comes from a sense of threat to the current order, an order that tells the threatened that they are better than the disenfranchised.
My subjective data point, as a male in tech: We don't just need more women in tech, we need fewer assholes.
The company I'm currently working at doesn't have any assholes in the dev team; and yet even after hiring every single woman who has ever even applied for a software development role, we have zero women in the team :/
I'm going through the job hunt now, and so many places seem determined to be as difficult as possible to deal with. One (I may have found it on HN) had a picture of the office bullpen, and every single person in the picture was a twenty-something male, mostly all white with one or two Asians, more than half wearing hipster goatees.
I wondered "why in the world would you show this in your job posting section? What image do you think it projects?"
I'm not a SJW but the in-groupishness projected by that image was a huge turn off for me. And I'm someone who mostly fit the stereotype in that picture (even down to the hipster goatee).
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No one is doubting her ability because she's female. But you should be allowed to doubt their ability no matter their gender is.
How can you say nobody is doubting her ability because she is female? RTFA! Yes, of course you can doubt people's ability regardless of their gender, but it doesn't happen regardless of gender, it happens because of gender. People start out thinking: "Woman. Probably not a good coder. Ah, see? She knows about job interviews! She's a recruiter! Not a programmer at all." Had it been a man, they'd be: "Hey, this program…
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People thought she was not a programmer even though she wrote a book about programming interviews.
William Poundstone, author of how would you move mt Fuji, is not a programmer, so that's not entirely surprising.