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The Lost Oaks of California Ave

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Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

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Interesting. Where I grew up (San Luis Obispo county in CA), you'd need an act of congress to touch a mature oak tree–even on your own property. Our church actually had to build around one when they did a building project.

I bet if an entrepreneur or real estate developer wanted to cut down oak trees for a building project, they wouldn't get past the first step in the permit process ... but I guess when city wants them gone, they can run it through a "Development" association and play the disease card.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

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In the city of Thousand Oaks, CA (in socal, between LA and SB), it's actually illegal for anyone to cut down an oak tree.

Oak trees are one of the most distinguishing features of the California chaparral landscape - they cover the rolling hills just north of Los Angeles all the way up to the redwood forests in the north. It's actually one of the most important physical features that tie both ends of California together as a single state.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

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Private owners respect and conserve their resources.

Governments (which is to say, politicians with short lifespans in their job) use up resources in a rush to accomplish short term, idiotic goals.

You can look at the environmental records of capitalist countries versus centrally managed totalitarian states.

...or you can look at golf courses (which don't "cut down all the trees to keep things tidy") and compare them to the government of Palo Alto.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

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I see the that comment

    http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=829044
which reads

    In the city of Thousand Oaks, CA (in socal, between LA and SB), it's actually illegal for anyone to cut down an oak tree.
was marked dead.

Why?

This seems like it adds something to the conversation, no?

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

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In the city of Thousand Oaks, CA it's illegal to cut down oak trees, even on your own property. I believe the burden of proof is on the owner to demonstrate that property is being threatened by root growth, etc.

I'm sure many other municipalities in CA have similar laws, because the oak trees that cover much of the chaparral land from just north of Los Angeles all the way up to the redwood forests are one of the most important physical features that tie together the northern and southern ends of California.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

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post #2

Interesting. Where I grew up (San Luis Obispo county in CA), you'd need an act of congress to touch a mature oak tree–even on your own property. Our church actually had to build around one when they did a building project. I bet if an entrepreneur or real estate developer wanted to cut down oak trees for a building project, they wouldn't get past the first step in the permit process ... but I guess when city wants th…

You can't cut down a mature tree on your own property in Palo Alto either. But apparently the city can.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

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I like Cal Ave partly because it's about as close as you can get in this area to my favorite neighborhood in Seattle (15th Ave).

A photo I took yesterday while they were taking the last one down:

http://openbs.org/photo/wehavenotrees.jpg

Quote from the notice they sent out:

"The City of Palo Alto Public Works Department ... shall be replacing most of the street trees on Cal Ave ... most of the existing trees are Holly Oaks and many of them are diseased and in poor condition. Their branches cover street lights and grow over building storefronts and roofs requiring frequent tree trimming. They bear and drop large acorn fruits that are tripping hazards for pedestrians.

"The Holly Oaks will be replaced with Red Maples ... smaller seed fruits that are safer for pedestrians ... metal grates will be installed ... which will bring a uniform look to the business district. The existing tree wells in sidewalks are open wells which may be tripping hazards."

Funny thing is there are maples on 15th Ave so I've seen how they are through the year. When the maples start dropping sap on people's cars and all of the restaurants' outdoor furniture is too sticky to sit on I don't know what they'll do. I'll just laugh.

Re: The Lost Oaks of California Ave

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post #4

Private owners respect and conserve their resources. Governments (which is to say, politicians with short lifespans in their job) use up resources in a rush to accomplish short term, idiotic goals. You can look at the environmental records of capitalist countries versus centrally managed totalitarian states. ...or you can look at golf courses (which don't "cut down all the trees to keep things tidy") and compare them…

strange, because in my country, it was during communism, that a lot of trees were planted, both parks/forest, and agricultural one.

If dear leader wanted a artificial lake, with lots of trees, next to his villa, he would get it. If he thought lots of lemon trees, and olive trees were awesome, bared hills will be transformed to accommodate all these trees.

And it was during the transition to democracy, (and even today), that a whole of these things started getting destroyed.

We are talking about commmon areas. As for private property, I can safely say that most europeans love trees.

As another anectode, there are some streets in SF where trees are completely missing. And it usually corresponds with the density of asian population. It seems that there is something about a tree, in front of the house/door that hinders the chi flow, or something.

But go to Clement st. and there are trees where the more euro shops are, and just a few blocks down, there is little trees where the asian stores are.

Some things can be cultural also.

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