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Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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Re: Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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Silicon Valley: Where highly paid ($100-$200k+) engineers sleep in cars to save money on obscenely expensive rent. Honestly, recently moving to Seattle has been refreshing to me in this regard. I find Seattle tech industry pay no less than SF, plus no state income tax, and for the same rent as SF you can practically live like a king/queen here. I wonder how long the housing situation in SV can keep up until everythin…

Well first you'd need NY to collapse to prove that dynamic work locations collapse under their own weight. Young people (fresh out of school) really have few needs and so will put up with a lot for the experience of working with great people for great companies. It doesn't hurt that the weather is also fantastic (weather crushes NY but culturally NY has so much more to offer). It's only when they hit their 30's and (if they do) start thinking about children that broader quality of life issues come into play. Those that are very successful can afford to stay there. Those that aren't will move on to cheaper metros or somewhere else. Many that are successful will still realize there are other options (the realization that Tahoe never is closer than a 6 hour commute unless you leave at 4am or 10pm) and move away (making way for the next generation).

There's a reason those trains to CT are so full of people every night.

Re: Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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I did this on a 6 month contract as an experiment over a mild winter in the UK in 2011. You can pretty much do this anywhere. Couple of tricks: 1) Get a small camper/van that can park in one car parking space with a diesel heating system. Kitchen is irrelevant. Bed/toilet/heating system/space to sit and type/space for clothes to hang. 2) You need a toilet but usually you time your bowel movements to only need to use…

This seems tempting. But i can't live without gaming on a big screen :(

Re: Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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Perhaps behemoths like Google could literally build company towns in the vicinity of their campuses with heavily subsidised rents. I'm not even being sarcastic here - I live in Ireland and until recently worked as an engineer for Google in Dublin. With 3k+ folks there - most young and single and not much into commuting - a few square miles around the campus is just a 'Google ghetto'. Some folks even happily connect t…

They want to, but mountain view and other peninsula districts have generally resisted new housing at the scale needed to accommodate the tech workforce. http://www.spur.org/publications/article/2012-12-18/corporat...

One reason NOT to do it would be that it puts workers with families or those who need something different than a 'standard corporate housing unit' at a disadvantage - if single professionals can get subsidised housing it effectively increases their take-home salary.

Re: Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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"Meeting people outside of the tech industry keeps you grounded" But does where you sleep affect that at all? Even where I am, many people live in apartments or houses and yet have almost no social interaction outside of high tech. I'm sure that's at least as true in Silicon Valley, with its corporate citadels and meetups and apartment complexes that specifically court techies with fast networks etc. Civic/community/…

> But does where you sleep affect that at all? Even where I am, many people live in apartments or houses and yet have almost no social interaction outside of high tech. I'm sure that's at least as true in Silicon Valley, with its corporate citadels and meetups and apartment complexes that specifically court techies with fast networks etc. Not normally, but if you sleep at work then definitely yes. If you never leave…

I find it interesting that you implicitly treat sleeping there as the last step toward full isolation. I understand that "sleeping" at work might also include things like morning showers and laundry. Still, doesn't the idea of eating every meal every day at work - not just lunch Monday through Friday - strike anyone else as equally anomalous? Isn't that just as much an indicator of having no separate life? If so, then why it assumed to have come before that "final step" of sleeping there as well?

Re: Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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Does anyone else feels like we're really getting towards the cyberpunk universe ? with corporations that completely own the life of their employees by providing them with everything, and a violent lawless and miserable outside world. And as always, it all started with the best intentions.

>Does anyone else feels like we're really getting towards the cyberpunk universe No. The current top voted comment in this thread is a guy who's telling everyone how to live out of a van. Hint: it's so safe outside the corporate safe zones that he can park his car in a parking lot and sleep there without worrying about being hassled by anyone.

I agree we are not there but, I think there is a real chance of this happening. Wasn't there a thread sometime back about a company, which asked all its employees to live together in a shared community accommodation?

The fact is - as cost of living goes up and commute becomes harder in big cities, Companies will adapt. I see primarily three ways:

a. Embrace the status quo and employees commute via trains/cars whatever. b. Companies allow people to work from home. c. Companies realize that, it is much more cost efficient if employees lived closer to their offices. Some projects can't be easily worked from home, so what will a company with billions of dollars in cash will do? I don't think companies owe anything to people in general - other than maximize profits for their shareholders, so it is quite viable that they provide housing to their employees.

Re: Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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This is the paradox. You can phrase it as a question: Why don't blubsoft or blub.ly open offices in city X and continue to pay the same salaries there . Relocated employees would be richer and blub.ly should have an easier time hiring. Obvious'y this doesn't happen even though a simple common sense "story" suggests that it should. Hence unintuitive. I'm not saying that individuals don't have their reasons for doing w…

> Why don't blubsoft or blub.ly open offices in city X and continue to pay the same salaries there. Because they could open offices in city X and pay smaller salaries in absolute value, though equivalent relative to living costs, and get the same hires for less money. I don't see the paradox here; you could phrase it as a question: why should blubsoft or blub.ly pay more for something, when they can pay less and stil…

They don't have to be in silicon valley. The only reason for Google to be anywhere is employees and to a lesser extent investors, lawyers and other service providers of the cluster. It's mostly employees though.

Why are they there, paying high salaries if they could be getting the same for less elsewhere?

Re: Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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Keep in mind that factory / company mine towns used to be a thing. The cyberpunk dystopia you are alluding to is extrapolating company town lifestyle into the future.

All we need is the return of company scrip, which low-margin retailers are trying their damnedest to bring back.

Many countries have various types of vouchers (meal vouchers, purchase vouchers, etc..).

I get paid 20% of my salary in Meal Vouchers (I hate them) by Edenred, and an extra 2% in a voucher that can only be spent on certain stores.

Meal vouchers are commonly accepted because they have a 17% tax break, but retailers get 10% less than the face value (they're more expensive for them than credit cards).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meal_voucher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edenred

Re: Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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I did this on a 6 month contract as an experiment over a mild winter in the UK in 2011. You can pretty much do this anywhere. Couple of tricks: 1) Get a small camper/van that can park in one car parking space with a diesel heating system. Kitchen is irrelevant. Bed/toilet/heating system/space to sit and type/space for clothes to hang. 2) You need a toilet but usually you time your bowel movements to only need to use…

You made The Verge! http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/9/6126305/tech-employee-lives...

Re: Google Employees Secretly Live on Campus to Avoid Paying Rent

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I did this on a 6 month contract as an experiment over a mild winter in the UK in 2011. You can pretty much do this anywhere. Couple of tricks: 1) Get a small camper/van that can park in one car parking space with a diesel heating system. Kitchen is irrelevant. Bed/toilet/heating system/space to sit and type/space for clothes to hang. 2) You need a toilet but usually you time your bowel movements to only need to use…

For 16, does this mean that you can't ordinarily sleep in the back of the van, but they allow it if drunk to discourage drunk driving, or that you're not considered to be drinking and driving if you stay in the back?

I'm just amused at the idea of keeping a bottle of around for emergency legal compliance.

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