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The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by 6d0debc071 »

Steko wrote: post #23
croddin wrote: post #4

Satoshi's account on p2pfoundation.ning.com also made the first comment since he said "I am not Dorian Nakamoto." back in March. It says: "Dear Satoshi. Your dox, passwords and IP addresses are being sold on the darknet. Apparently you didn't configure Tor properly and your IP leaked when you used your email account sometime in 2010. You are not safe. You need to get out of where you are as soon as possible before th…

Why is every mention of possible disclosure of Satoshi's identity fraught with heavy overtones of "Your Life Is In Grave Danger"? We have many people who are much richer whose identities are not secret and we don't need to freak out constantly and warn them that They Are In Grave Danger. AFAIK he's not been accused of any crime either. Is it maybe because Bitcoin enthusiasts have a large overlap with monatery cranks…

> Why is every mention of possible disclosure of Satoshi's identity fraught with heavy overtones of "Your Life Is In Grave Danger"? We have many people who are much richer whose identities are not secret and we don't need to freak out constantly and warn them that They Are In Grave Danger.

I think they probably know already. At least if the body guards are anything to go by.

Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by Steko »

nostromo wrote: post #30
Steko wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying holding Bitcoin can be hazardous to our health? Whoa, I don't think that's one of the approved talking points.

If you have a few thousand dollars of gold in your house, you shouldn't worry too much. But if you have a billion dollars of gold in your basement, you should be very, very paranoid. Even with perfect security, you'd still be a ransom target.

If you were very paranoid would you rely exclusively on security through obscurity?

It might also occur to you to diversify out of the thing that puts you at risk. Maybe there's even some sort of establishment that can hold funds more securely. He should look into that.

Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by crazypyro »

clamprecht wrote: post #18
IvyMike wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoa. Now of course the question becomes is the warning genuine, or is it an attempt to cause Satoshi to do something hasty?

Satoshi's behavior is the opposite of hasty.

Exactly why there would have to be an outside message, motivating him to action in a way that would accidentally identify himself?

I don't really buy the theory, but that isn't really a counter argument...

Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by NhanH »

Steko wrote: post #32
nostromo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a few thousand dollars of gold in your house, you shouldn't worry too much. But if you have a billion dollars of gold in your basement, you should be very, very paranoid. Even with perfect security, you'd still be a ransom target.

If you were very paranoid would you rely exclusively on security through obscurity? It might also occur to you to diversify out of the thing that puts you at risk. Maybe there's even some sort of establishment that can hold funds more securely. He should look into that.

"Security through obscurity" being bad only applies to cryptography, and have no bearing whatsoever to the concept of security in real life.

To answer your question, actually, yes, it's almost proven to be the most effective measurement for one's safety: don't want to get hurt? Don't let people find you: get in a forest/ mountain range and hide.

Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by ghshephard »

[deleted] wrote: post #27
Steko wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is every mention of possible disclosure of Satoshi's identity fraught with heavy overtones of "Your Life Is In Grave Danger"? We have many people who are much richer whose identities are not secret and we don't need to freak out constantly and warn them that They Are In Grave Danger. AFAIK he's not been accused of any crime either. Is it maybe because Bitcoin enthusiasts have a large overlap with monatery cranks…

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What $500mm are you referring to?

Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by dustcoin »

[deleted] wrote: post #27
Steko wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is every mention of possible disclosure of Satoshi's identity fraught with heavy overtones of "Your Life Is In Grave Danger"? We have many people who are much richer whose identities are not secret and we don't need to freak out constantly and warn them that They Are In Grave Danger. AFAIK he's not been accused of any crime either. Is it maybe because Bitcoin enthusiasts have a large overlap with monatery cranks…

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I haven't heard of a single MtGox creditor that has expressed anger towards Satoshi.

Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by Steko »

NhanH wrote: post #34
Steko wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were very paranoid would you rely exclusively on security through obscurity? It might also occur to you to diversify out of the thing that puts you at risk. Maybe there's even some sort of establishment that can hold funds more securely. He should look into that.

"Security through obscurity" being bad only applies to cryptography, and have no bearing whatsoever to the concept of security in real life. To answer your question, actually, yes, it's almost proven to be the most effective measurement for one's safety: don't want to get hurt? Don't let people find you: get in a forest/ mountain range and hide.

Now First Blood is an underrated movie but I'm not sure it, or anything else, supports your claims. Hiding in the mountains has been a proven way of lowering life expectancy for millennia.

Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by Bud »

dustcoin wrote: post #36
[deleted] wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I haven't heard of a single MtGox creditor that has expressed anger towards Satoshi.

If you were really, really angry, and planning to do something about it, would you broadcast that?

Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by rufugee »

cataflam wrote: post #16
rufugee wrote: post #8

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So could someone explain how an IP address would leak when using an email account? I suppose potentially in the SMTP header, but this would assume he was using a email server running on his own personal ip, right? So is the guess here (assuming this is even true) that he had an email server running at home, leaked the ip, and then was attacked when someone found it?

Many SMTP servers include the IP address of the sender in the headers (usually the Received header). Just look around, you'll be surprised.

Using webmail would defeat that, though, right?

Re: The Satoshi Nakamoto SourceForge account has been hacked

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Post by torgoguys »

shlorn wrote: post #20

Intresting theory from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.80 [Quote] nycgoat on September 08, 2014, 11:49:43 PM Is it possible that he deleted the e-mail address @gmx when he left the project and that it has been recycled? Someone else may have been able to sign up, then use the reset password feature on these other sites. It is likely that the @gmx address would have been destroyed at the conclusion of h…

The behavior of the p2pfoundation "resurfacing" of Satoshi is different than the sourceforge one, possibly indicating 2 people with some of Satoshi's credentials, so in my mind that lends some credibility to the explanation on the p2pfoundation post (Satoshi's info being sold to various buyers) as being more likely.
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