Doors are a congestion area, and seem like exactly the wrong place to be doing something like washing hands.
PullClean: Door handles as sanitizers
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Re: PullClean: Door handles as sanitizers
#22Last time I visited a hospital, there were gel dispensers beside every single door, already. I googled and those are under $10 for twice the capacity of the PullClean... so 1 PullClean vs 20 wall-mounted dispensers? I think they'd really have to have some studies showing the different placement really made an impact for hospitals to buy this at scale.
Yeah, that was my thought, as well. Sanitizer dispensers are everywhere in hospitals. You can't walk through a door without passing one. Staff habitually sanitize on their way into a room, where they then put on sterile gloves to interact with the patent, and then dispose of the gloves on their way out. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.
Our local hospital has hand sanitizer dispensers that talk to you as you go past them even "Have you washed your hands?" then light up sort of thing as they detect movement
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#23I also think that these kind of gels give a false sense of security, I have anywhere up to four different carers coming through this house on any given day using the stuff. And they do something that might be slightly medical in nature, then it's a quick squirt of the gel and hey presto no more tiny stinky biting things! But that is absolutely NOT how they work, these gels are generally designed to be used AFTER wash…
Can you provide references?
That may be true of your basic drugstore Purell, which just contains ethyl alcohol. But the literature does indicate that hospital-grade hand sanitizers (a blend of alcohols, and/or a non-alcohol equivalent) are far superior and immediately effective against most organisms.
See for example, http://cmr.asm.org/content/17/4/863.short
Re: PullClean: Door handles as sanitizers
#24The handles on inward opening doors are a vector for bacteria because there is no way of physically interacting with them without using your hands and touching the same place as everyone else. This product does not solve this problem, but instead tries to insert itself into the users' task flow at precisely the time when their goals are focused elsewhere (on opening the door). This is a rude interruption and will likely annoy rather than encourage more sanitization.
In the video (0:59), a woman sanitizes her hands then must immediately compromise them again to actually open the door.
I'd prefer to see a handle designed for safe operation by the elbows or feet so that the hands don't need to be compromised. Think of how a surgeon enters an operating room by pushing the door with their shoulder and their hands held up out of the way.
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#25I also think that these kind of gels give a false sense of security, I have anywhere up to four different carers coming through this house on any given day using the stuff. And they do something that might be slightly medical in nature, then it's a quick squirt of the gel and hey presto no more tiny stinky biting things! But that is absolutely NOT how they work, these gels are generally designed to be used AFTER wash…
I don't like the gel anyways, it feels gross and sticky. It'd be nice if you could use UV to "wash" your hands with these things.
I've found only the off-brand ones feel sticky. The feel varies a lot from brand to brand.
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#26I also think this product is attempting to solve the wrong problem, in the wrong way. Rather than try to insert another workflow step (as a previous commenter ably put it) why not focus on ways of preventing the contact with contaminants in the first place? After all, door handles are just one vector, and how many of the others can be converted into sanitizer dispensers?
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#27Is it just me, or is this a recipe for slippery sanitizer-covered floors after people bump into these handles and trigger the pump? (Whether deliberately, by opening the door with their backs with hands full, or inadvertently just walking around in a crowded corridor.)
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#28I also think that these kind of gels give a false sense of security, I have anywhere up to four different carers coming through this house on any given day using the stuff. And they do something that might be slightly medical in nature, then it's a quick squirt of the gel and hey presto no more tiny stinky biting things! But that is absolutely NOT how they work, these gels are generally designed to be used AFTER wash…
I don't like the gel anyways, it feels gross and sticky. It'd be nice if you could use UV to "wash" your hands with these things.
UV sterilization works by disrupting the DNA of pathogens -- which is exactly the same mechanism that causes skin cancer. So I don't see this product arriving anytime soon.
Re: PullClean: Door handles as sanitizers
#29Doors are a congestion area, and seem like exactly the wrong place to be doing something like washing hands.
Obviously stopping and standing there at the door is not the idea here.
Re: PullClean: Door handles as sanitizers
#30I also think that these kind of gels give a false sense of security, I have anywhere up to four different carers coming through this house on any given day using the stuff. And they do something that might be slightly medical in nature, then it's a quick squirt of the gel and hey presto no more tiny stinky biting things! But that is absolutely NOT how they work, these gels are generally designed to be used AFTER wash…
Can you provide references? That may be true of your basic drugstore Purell, which just contains ethyl alcohol. But the literature does indicate that hospital-grade hand sanitizers (a blend of alcohols, and/or a non-alcohol equivalent) are far superior and immediately effective against most organisms. See for example, http://cmr.asm.org/content/17/4/863.short
Hand washing should be done with runnin water and soap when possible. If you don't hav running water and soap you cannise handgels, but they don't kill everything. Alcoholgels don't kill c.diff. Alcohol gels only work on hands that are clean.
You need to be careful with the soap you chose because hands can be "too clean" - some soaps are harsh on the skin and cause conditions suitable for bugs.
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Clostridium-difficile/Pages/Pre...
http://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sani...