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Failing the Startup Game at Unbabel – Take 2

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Re: Failing the Startup Game at Unbabel – Take 2

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Lawyer up if you feel mislead.

It's always hard to see who is right and who ia wrong, specialy in employment case. Morever, european laws should be a lot more protrective even if you are the one in fault.

ps: On a side note, never forget that's every publicity is good publicity. I am working on integrating automated translation in our web app and now I am considering unbabel. :/

Re: Failing the Startup Game at Unbabel – Take 2

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Vasco Pedro, CEO and Co-founder of Unbabel. I feel that while it is very important to have honest discussions regarding employee expectations, in this particular case Andreas is being particularly disingenuous and stating facts that are plainly false. As the CEO of Unbabel, I find it hard to let wrong factual information be posted about Unbabel. There is a great deal of subjectivity in these matters and we are sensit…

I don't think the OP has handled this well and I'd like to believe everything that you wrote, however, I keep getting stuck at this paragraph:

About a week before they fired me they helped me land a 4 month contract for a new apartment and even lent me the money for the deposit and two months rent to be deducted from future pay checks. When they fired me they deducted everything from my final pay, and since I couldn't afford to fulfill my rental contract I never got the deposit back.

Is that statement true? If it is, the most charitable thing I can say is that you are either deeply dishonest or else borderline incompetent. Surely you knew that Andreas was not a good fit by that time. Why would you go out of your way to screw him over? If it is not true, what actually happened?

Re: Failing the Startup Game at Unbabel – Take 2

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post #25

Vasco Pedro, CEO and Co-founder of Unbabel. I feel that while it is very important to have honest discussions regarding employee expectations, in this particular case Andreas is being particularly disingenuous and stating facts that are plainly false. As the CEO of Unbabel, I find it hard to let wrong factual information be posted about Unbabel. There is a great deal of subjectivity in these matters and we are sensit…

I don't think the OP has handled this well and I'd like to believe everything that you wrote, however, I keep getting stuck at this paragraph: About a week before they fired me they helped me land a 4 month contract for a new apartment and even lent me the money for the deposit and two months rent to be deducted from future pay checks. When they fired me they deducted everything from my final pay, and since I couldn'…

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Re: Failing the Startup Game at Unbabel – Take 2

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post #25

Vasco Pedro, CEO and Co-founder of Unbabel. I feel that while it is very important to have honest discussions regarding employee expectations, in this particular case Andreas is being particularly disingenuous and stating facts that are plainly false. As the CEO of Unbabel, I find it hard to let wrong factual information be posted about Unbabel. There is a great deal of subjectivity in these matters and we are sensit…

As I mentioned in the HN comments to a previous post in this series, Portugese law does not allow for employees to be terminated before the end of the probationary period, even (or especially) in the case of indefinite term employment. Where the length of the employment contract is fixed in term, the law sets a fixed probationary period.

Andreas' complaint is that Unbabel violated Portugese labor law with regards to his employment, by terminating him prematurely, and nothing you've said indicates that his complaint is without merit.

Your comments here and elsewhere on HN reflect a consistently poor understanding or disregard of the legal and regulatory environment you have chosen to locate your business in. You're a startup, but that doesn't excuse you from following the law.

Re: Failing the Startup Game at Unbabel – Take 2

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post #25

Vasco Pedro, CEO and Co-founder of Unbabel. I feel that while it is very important to have honest discussions regarding employee expectations, in this particular case Andreas is being particularly disingenuous and stating facts that are plainly false. As the CEO of Unbabel, I find it hard to let wrong factual information be posted about Unbabel. There is a great deal of subjectivity in these matters and we are sensit…

Let's look at the facts: 1.) Unbabel is a YC company that recently raised 1.5M 2.) Andreas is a contractor that was given a 3-month at-will contract, for a job that required him to move to Portugal from Sweden. 3.) He worked for 1 month and then was let go and given pay for 1.5 months. 4.) He managed to lose all his money that he made while working for Unbabel, due to a 4 month rental agreement that Unbabel helped hi…

I agree with all of your analysis here, save one nitpick: I don't think the founders are psychopaths. I think they're in a bubble. I think they genuinely believe they did the right thing, because (like I said elsewhere in this thread), they're simply not thinking about Andreas and they're resolutely refusing to see things from his perspective.

I'd challenge vasco_ to take a look at what this situation is like from Andreas' perspective, and then explain why an apology or greater assistance to him was unnecessary or impossible.

Re: Failing the Startup Game at Unbabel – Take 2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's look at the facts: 1.) Unbabel is a YC company that recently raised 1.5M 2.) Andreas is a contractor that was given a 3-month at-will contract, for a job that required him to move to Portugal from Sweden. 3.) He worked for 1 month and then was let go and given pay for 1.5 months. 4.) He managed to lose all his money that he made while working for Unbabel, due to a 4 month rental agreement that Unbabel helped hi…

I agree with all of your analysis here, save one nitpick: I don't think the founders are psychopaths. I think they're in a bubble. I think they genuinely believe they did the right thing, because (like I said elsewhere in this thread), they're simply not thinking about Andreas and they're resolutely refusing to see things from his perspective. I'd challenge vasco_ to take a look at what this situation is like from An…

"I agree with all of your analysis here, save one nitpick: I don't think the founders are psychopaths. I think they're in a bubble. I think they genuinely believe they did the right thing, because (like I said elsewhere in this thread), they're simply not thinking about Andreas and they're resolutely refusing to see things from his perspective."

To quote Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy) - emphasis be me:

"Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/) (or sociopathy /ˈsoʊsiəˌpæθi/) is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior. It may also be defined as a continuous aspect of personality, representing scores on different personality dimensions found throughout the population in varying combinations."

Re: Failing the Startup Game at Unbabel – Take 2

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with all of your analysis here, save one nitpick: I don't think the founders are psychopaths. I think they're in a bubble. I think they genuinely believe they did the right thing, because (like I said elsewhere in this thread), they're simply not thinking about Andreas and they're resolutely refusing to see things from his perspective. I'd challenge vasco_ to take a look at what this situation is like from An…

"I agree with all of your analysis here, save one nitpick: I don't think the founders are psychopaths. I think they're in a bubble. I think they genuinely believe they did the right thing, because (like I said elsewhere in this thread), they're simply not thinking about Andreas and they're resolutely refusing to see things from his perspective." To quote Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy ) - emphas…

I think assuming someone is a psychopath is assuming the absolute worst about them in this context. I don't think it's really fair to anyone. There are plenty of other situations that result in diminished empathy and remorse, not all of them pathological in nature, and whether or not vasco_ is a psychopath doesn't affect the rightness or wrongness of his behavior from an objective standpoint.

Re: Failing the Startup Game at Unbabel – Take 2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not unreasonable when it's written in the official language of the country in which your office resides.

So it all right to rip of foreigners then or people not versed in employment law. Foolish or badly advised people still have rights you know

A foolish person would sign a contract in a language that they can't read. No reasonable employer would be offended if you refused to sign an agreement you couldn't possibly understand.

If they were offended, that would be even more of a reason not to work there or sign it.

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