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Re: Stop and Seize

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Post by zorrb »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #32
zorrb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I think most reasonable people would agree the Washington Post is pretty much a joke at this point. However, I have toe vehemently disagree with your rationale. This line of thinking has to stop. Just because YOU can't think of any reason to carry "large" sums of money doesn't mean there IS no legitimate reason. Innocent until proven guilty, all that jazz. "Think about it. Why would YOU, wear sagging jeans?" Al…

Tell me a legitimate reason to carry thousands of dollars of cash around. While some, here, will think of outlier reasons and point to a few "two thousand dollar" situations, the point of the whole thing is that there are a multitude of tens and hundreds of thousands and millions in cash that ARE stopped and picked up all the time for illegal reasons and the POST (and posters here) are ignoring that fact. (Except for…

Are you asking for ONE specific legitimate reason? Say you don't trust banks, how do you purchase expensive items? Maybe you don't have a bank account for WHATEVER reason? Are you now a criminal because you don't have a bank account?

Or, are you really asking, what is the RATIO between what you'd deem "legitimate" reasons to carry money and what you'd deem "ill-legitimate"? What is the correct ratio? If we take 50% of the "bad guys" money, and 50% of innocent citizens is that too high? 60/40? 80/20? What is the correct ratio? How can you even know?

Re: Stop and Seize

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Post by droopyEyelids »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #20

This story is so unbelievably biased and one-sided, it confirms my suspicions of the value of the Washington Post anymore. Carrying $75K in cash around should raise anyone's suspicions as to the purpose, no matter what the carrier claims. Think about it. Why would YOU carry $75K in cash? The obvious and well known reasons are, it's the most secure way to fund drug and terrorist cells without leaving a trail. The Post…

To understand your argument, you're saying that people do not have "the right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against searches and seizures" because you can't personally think of a reason to carry $75k in cash?

Re: Stop and Seize

#43

Post by harry8 »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #32
zorrb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I think most reasonable people would agree the Washington Post is pretty much a joke at this point. However, I have toe vehemently disagree with your rationale. This line of thinking has to stop. Just because YOU can't think of any reason to carry "large" sums of money doesn't mean there IS no legitimate reason. Innocent until proven guilty, all that jazz. "Think about it. Why would YOU, wear sagging jeans?" Al…

Tell me a legitimate reason to carry thousands of dollars of cash around. While some, here, will think of outlier reasons and point to a few "two thousand dollar" situations, the point of the whole thing is that there are a multitude of tens and hundreds of thousands and millions in cash that ARE stopped and picked up all the time for illegal reasons and the POST (and posters here) are ignoring that fact. (Except for…

This was the standard argument in the USSR for everything. Who won cold war?

1) because I like cash, I like the feel of it, it's real money not bits.

2) Because I don't trust my banks.

3) because they charge fees to transfer the money same day I don't want to pay

4) because I don't like the government and I don't want them to have records of my business transactions if I can help it. I'm honest, I pay my tax but I don't want the IRS keeping records on where I buy my car and from who.

5) because I get a discount for paying in cash.

6) because I borrowed the money from family who do business in cash.

7) because I'm paying someone who prefers cash.

8) because I have to pay 30 different people and I don't have all their bank details.

9) because we've always done payroll in cash.

10) Because I'm taking the cash overseas to a country where US Dollars work and electronic bits don't.

There's 10. There are at least 100 more. And loads I haven't even thought of.

Using cash is a right, and you should feel bad.

Clearly you like breaking laws given your posts and should be arrested and have your property confiscated. What other reason could you have for your lack of respect for law? See how that goes? In soviet Russia, you're welcome.

Re: Stop and Seize

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Post by noarchy »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #32
zorrb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I think most reasonable people would agree the Washington Post is pretty much a joke at this point. However, I have toe vehemently disagree with your rationale. This line of thinking has to stop. Just because YOU can't think of any reason to carry "large" sums of money doesn't mean there IS no legitimate reason. Innocent until proven guilty, all that jazz. "Think about it. Why would YOU, wear sagging jeans?" Al…

Tell me a legitimate reason to carry thousands of dollars of cash around. While some, here, will think of outlier reasons and point to a few "two thousand dollar" situations, the point of the whole thing is that there are a multitude of tens and hundreds of thousands and millions in cash that ARE stopped and picked up all the time for illegal reasons and the POST (and posters here) are ignoring that fact. (Except for…

>Tell me a legitimate reason to carry thousands of dollars of cash around.

A legitimate reason would be whatever reason I happen to choose, no different than if I choose to use a credit card, Bitcoin, or write a cheque. No one should have to defend their legal transactions to you or anyone.

That said, some governments are moving down the path of outlawing large cash transactions. Here is one example: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/10/17/large-cash...

Re: Stop and Seize

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Post by zorrb »

nagrom wrote: post #38
allegory wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My boss carried £40k in cash around once a month for a number of years. It was people's pay on the way from the bank to the company. Imagine the consequences of siezing that. In no way should anyone assume anything. That's a bad precedence to set. And as for me, when I sold my house a few years ago, the buyer paid cash (a suitcase of 15,300 £20 notes). I had to take that to the bank and pay it in, which was suprising…

That last paragraph is fascinating! How did you react to their request to pay cash? How did you count the money to ensure that it was all there - did you sit there and do it when they arrived, or employ someone or did you visit the bank together?

It's not that crazy.

A $1000 bundle of 20's is 50 bills. Usually they're wrapped up like that. That's only 15stacks. You'd only really have to count one of the stacks, if you didn't trust them.

Re: Stop and Seize

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Post by pyvpx »

tehwebguy wrote: post #37
shin_lao wrote: post #30

I don't see what the problem is. In France if you carry more than 10,000 € in cash, you need to make a custom declaration. It's also illegal to buy something for more than 3,000 € in cash.

You don't see a problem with those laws?

most people don't

Re: Stop and Seize

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Post by avalaunch »

edw519 wrote: post #8

He was carrying $75,000 raised from relatives to buy a Chinese restaurant... They took $18,000 that he said was meant to buy a used car. ...was stunned when police took $17,550 from him during a stop in 2012 for a minor traffic infraction... The deputy found $75,195 in a suitcase in the back seat... They were carrying $28,500 in church funds meant for the purchase of land... No doubt there's injustice that needs to b…

I used to carry tens of thousands of dollars in cash when I was a professional poker player because cash is the only accepted form of currency to buyin to a game or tournament. And getting large amounts of cash out of your bank when you need it can be really difficult, usually impossible.

I don't know why each of the people quoted in the article was carrying cash but I'm sure they had their reasons. And even if they were dumb reasons it doesn't matter. Making dumb decisions doesn't grant anyone, even the police force, the right to take what is not theirs. That is so basic and obvious that I wonder if you're just trolling.

Re: Stop and Seize

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Post by nemo »

edw519 wrote: post #8

He was carrying $75,000 raised from relatives to buy a Chinese restaurant... They took $18,000 that he said was meant to buy a used car. ...was stunned when police took $17,550 from him during a stop in 2012 for a minor traffic infraction... The deputy found $75,195 in a suitcase in the back seat... They were carrying $28,500 in church funds meant for the purchase of land... No doubt there's injustice that needs to b…

Guilty before proven innocent, right?

Re: Stop and Seize

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Post by shin_lao »

tehwebguy wrote: post #37
shin_lao wrote: post #30

I don't see what the problem is. In France if you carry more than 10,000 € in cash, you need to make a custom declaration. It's also illegal to buy something for more than 3,000 € in cash.

You don't see a problem with those laws?

Absolutely not. Why would I want to pay in cash? It's neither convenient nor safe.

Re: Stop and Seize

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Post by [deleted] »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #32
zorrb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I think most reasonable people would agree the Washington Post is pretty much a joke at this point. However, I have toe vehemently disagree with your rationale. This line of thinking has to stop. Just because YOU can't think of any reason to carry "large" sums of money doesn't mean there IS no legitimate reason. Innocent until proven guilty, all that jazz. "Think about it. Why would YOU, wear sagging jeans?" Al…

Tell me a legitimate reason to carry thousands of dollars of cash around. While some, here, will think of outlier reasons and point to a few "two thousand dollar" situations, the point of the whole thing is that there are a multitude of tens and hundreds of thousands and millions in cash that ARE stopped and picked up all the time for illegal reasons and the POST (and posters here) are ignoring that fact. (Except for…

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