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The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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I would be more concerned with the mental health effects than the physical health effects anyway.

I would guess that you would find significant mental health benefits, as well.

I wouldn't guess. I would look at research.

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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The problem with those "connected" results is that alcohol is very popular so a large fraction of any group has consummed alcohol recently. This is yet another example of the divergence of causation and correlation. If it is actually responsible for preventable deaths, why are they not being prevented? Because they are probably very, very hard to actually prevent. Even prohibition did little to reduce death rates and…

If it is actually responsible for preventable deaths, why are they not being prevented? Because alcohol is the cause. I don't know what are you trying to say.

Sorry you don't understand - let me see if I can make it simpler for you. Your alias (readerrr) gives me some pause that this will be successful. :)

If something is preventable that means it can be prevented. Right? So why is it not be prevented? Understand? By this flawed logic aren't all murders and suicides also preventable? This "preventable" label is bullshit.

I suggest that the vast majority these "alcohol related deaths" cannot be prevented thought additional controls on alcohol. We tried prohibition - didn't help. We arrest 1.5 million people every year - still these death persist. Do you have some suggestions? I gave a few above.

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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post #5

I don't know a site that collects more research on the topic than http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/AlcoholAndHealth.html

Including this page which should make things clear: alcohol consumption is just a placeholder for socioeconomic status, which everyone knows has a major effect on longevity.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/Controversies/Drinking-Alcoh...

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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What if a pharmaceutical company invented a pill that resulted in a modest but significant reduction in the risk of heart disease in 90% of the population, but resulted massive increase in the risk of premature mortality in 10% of the population, easily shaving off 10-40 years in life expectancy in that 10%, depending on the severity of their reaction to the drug. The company could find absolutely no way to tell the…

Are you really sure about that? Do you know Isotretinoin? You may want to do a little search about it. Look at the serious adverse effects and harms it cause [0]. Despite that, a huge numbers of doctors (in many countries around the world) do administer it. Why? Because it makes money for the pharmaceutical industry. So the answer: Yes, the FDA will approve that magical pill. *[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotre…

Criticizing Isotretinoin can only come from someone who doesn't understand what big of a deal acne can be. That drug saves millions of human lives from suicide.

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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post #56
post #19

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Are you really sure about that? Do you know Isotretinoin? You may want to do a little search about it. Look at the serious adverse effects and harms it cause [0]. Despite that, a huge numbers of doctors (in many countries around the world) do administer it. Why? Because it makes money for the pharmaceutical industry. So the answer: Yes, the FDA will approve that magical pill. *[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotre…

Criticizing Isotretinoin can only come from someone who doesn't understand what big of a deal acne can be. That drug saves millions of human lives from suicide.

Millions of lives from suicide? Only ~800k people successfully commit suicide annually, and somehow many people survived quite bad acne before this drug.

I'm not saying severe acne or associated scaring can't cause mental health issues, but the list of side effects includes suicidal ideation, suicide, birth defects (it's a teratogen), depression (notably at the rate of between one in 1k and one in 10k), etc. This list [1] is quite extensive, and I'm glad I didn't have to sit on the fda council that decided this list of side effects was ok in a drug that, after all, just prevents some cosmetic scaring.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotretinoin

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

#58

Gingivitis is associated with heart disease. Is it possible alcohol could just be killing bacteria enough to reduce the effect? Instead of taking up alcohol, consider hitting those gums with an electric toothbrush at least once a day.

Associations don't imply causations. We don't know if gingivitis causes heart disease, nor do we know if heart disease causes gingivitis. Or maybe each has a minimal direct effect on the other (I'd never say none at all). Likely, individuals that have/do things that prevent gingivitis, like affording a dentist, also have/do things that prevent heart disease, like affording blood pressure medications.

'Is it possible alcohol could just be killing bacteria enough to reduce the effect?' Answer: 'yes it is possible'.

The strawman of 'association and causation' is introduced by you. Congratulations on knocking it down!

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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post #56
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really sure about that? Do you know Isotretinoin? You may want to do a little search about it. Look at the serious adverse effects and harms it cause [0]. Despite that, a huge numbers of doctors (in many countries around the world) do administer it. Why? Because it makes money for the pharmaceutical industry. So the answer: Yes, the FDA will approve that magical pill. *[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotre…

Criticizing Isotretinoin can only come from someone who doesn't understand what big of a deal acne can be. That drug saves millions of human lives from suicide.

Did you go through the treatment? I was a victim of Isotretinoin, and at some point I might have lost my sight.
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