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The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Post by Scoundreller »

jamestnz wrote: post #28
csomar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you please link to the relevant study?

Here is one, http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/155/8/732.full A reduced risk for Parkinson's disease (PD) among cigarette smokers has been observed consistently during the past 30 years. Recent evidence suggests that caffeine may also be protective. Findings are presented regarding associations of PD with smoking, caffeine intake, and alcohol consumption from a case-control study conducted in western Washington S…

Being a cigarette smoker was observed to reduce risk of PD. This study does not tell us if it's the smoking itself that's causing this, or some other trait of cigarette smokers because the studies weren't randomized.

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Post by [deleted] »

jnbiche wrote: post #27
csomar wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really sure about that? Do you know Isotretinoin? You may want to do a little search about it. Look at the serious adverse effects and harms it cause [0]. Despite that, a huge numbers of doctors (in many countries around the world) do administer it. Why? Because it makes money for the pharmaceutical industry. So the answer: Yes, the FDA will approve that magical pill. *[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotre…

>Do you know Isotretinoin? You may want to do a little search about it Yes, I know all about Isotretinoin. I took 3 courses of it as a teenager with severe, painful scarring acne. It improved my life a great deal, both from a health and social perspective. Want to make any more assumptions about me?

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Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Post by trentmb »

a8da6b0c91d wrote: post #39
stretchwithme wrote: post #34

Gingivitis is associated with heart disease. Is it possible alcohol could just be killing bacteria enough to reduce the effect? Instead of taking up alcohol, consider hitting those gums with an electric toothbrush at least once a day.

Rat experiments show that adding a small amount of alcohol to their drinking water makes them live longer. The reason is thought to be the alcohol helps kill off undesirable gut bacteria, which produce LPS endotoxins. Rats on antibiotics also live longer for the same reason. I don't think gingivitis is caused by bacteria per se. Cavities and gingivitis manifest as a consequence of lousy overall health and problems su…

Did it negatively impact their digestion at all (killing the useful gut flora)? Did they have chronic 'beer shits?'

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Post by clavalle »

towski wrote: post #23
davvid wrote: post #13

The author has been funded in the past by the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States (a trade organization) and the Wine Institute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_Peele#Funding This article makes it sound like there are no health concerns with regular drinking.

I would be more concerned with the mental health effects than the physical health effects anyway.

I would guess that you would find significant mental health benefits, as well.

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Post by aaron695 »

As far as I'm concerned, this thread should be about the fact the government and health care professionals are lying to us about the facts because they think they know best.

Whether the advice is best for society or not doesn't matter, they are lying to you. This concerns me a lot.

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Post by spikels »

readerrrr wrote: post #26
durakot wrote: post #21

"The more alcohol a society consumes, the fewer alcohol-related problems and alcohol-related deaths (including cirrhosis) it has." Heh, what? Exhibit A: Russia. I'm all for copious drinking, but that's comedy.

Yep, pure comedy. Here are the facts; alcohol is among the largest preventable causes of deaths, is connected to half of all violent crimes and about a third of car related deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impai...

The problem with those "connected" results is that alcohol is very popular so a large fraction of any group has consummed alcohol recently. This is yet another example of the divergence of causation and correlation.

If it is actually responsible for preventable deaths, why are they not being prevented? Because they are probably very, very hard to actually prevent. Even prohibition did little to reduce death rates and we already arrest 1.5 million people in the US each year for driving under the influence. What would work? I suggest the prevention of these deaths will have little to do with alcohol and more to do with healthcare and perhaps automobile design.

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Post by aaron695 »

readerrrr wrote: post #26
durakot wrote: post #21

"The more alcohol a society consumes, the fewer alcohol-related problems and alcohol-related deaths (including cirrhosis) it has." Heh, what? Exhibit A: Russia. I'm all for copious drinking, but that's comedy.

Yep, pure comedy. Here are the facts; alcohol is among the largest preventable causes of deaths, is connected to half of all violent crimes and about a third of car related deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impai...

This it mostly OT, which is the point.

The author is talking about health benefits.

My exposure to violent crime and drink driving (That I aren't already exposed too) is easy to manage if I was to start drinking.

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Post by billbrown »

davvid wrote: post #13

The author has been funded in the past by the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States (a trade organization) and the Wine Institute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_Peele#Funding This article makes it sound like there are no health concerns with regular drinking.

On the other hand, he's been writing on addiction for decades and that grant was from 14 years ago.

Noted, but he's likely not a shill for Big Booze.

Re: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

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Post by readerrrr »

spikels wrote: post #47
readerrrr wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, pure comedy. Here are the facts; alcohol is among the largest preventable causes of deaths, is connected to half of all violent crimes and about a third of car related deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impai...

The problem with those "connected" results is that alcohol is very popular so a large fraction of any group has consummed alcohol recently. This is yet another example of the divergence of causation and correlation. If it is actually responsible for preventable deaths, why are they not being prevented? Because they are probably very, very hard to actually prevent. Even prohibition did little to reduce death rates and…

If it is actually responsible for preventable deaths, why are they not being prevented?

Because alcohol is the cause. I don't know what are you trying to say.

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