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Lessons I learned from the failure of my first startup, Dinnr

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Re: Lessons I learned from the failure of my first startup, Dinnr

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You should have just delivered multiple meals at once. With an accompanying schedule and appropriate food that wouldn't go bad before its time.

Then you are removing the inefficiency of buying food items that you only use portions of and eliminate things going bad.

Re: Lessons I learned from the failure of my first startup, Dinnr

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This is only one level removed from what munchery does and I actually would pay for this service if it was in SF and they also offered on premise cooking lessons or something along those lines. This is still in my opinion a pretty good idea and has wings.

On premise cooking lessons is not something that can scale / can be implemented easy. It also comes with a whole bunch of problems (letting a stranger into your home / kitchen while you are there, etc)

Re: Lessons I learned from the failure of my first startup, Dinnr

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post #21

I can't help but have a very negative reaction to this, not necessarily at the author, but at the startup ecosystem as a whole. These are posted as "lessons" as if they were difficult to learn, when this really should be labeled "things no responsible person would ever not know before even considering raising money." Of course you should be self-critical of your product, of course you should test with real customers,…

I can't help but have a negative reaction to your comment. Yes, similar "lessons learned" are proliferated throughout the startup world, primarily because these are some of the hardest things about building a successful business even if you already know that they're the hardest things. This is clearly just a self-reflective piece, entitled "lessons I learned" not "lessons you should learn". If the rest of us want the story, or the reminders, great. If not, no sweat. The ad hominem is a little rough.

Re: Lessons I learned from the failure of my first startup, Dinnr

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post #21

I can't help but have a very negative reaction to this, not necessarily at the author, but at the startup ecosystem as a whole. These are posted as "lessons" as if they were difficult to learn, when this really should be labeled "things no responsible person would ever not know before even considering raising money." Of course you should be self-critical of your product, of course you should test with real customers,…

I can't help but have a negative reaction to your comment. Yes, similar "lessons learned" are proliferated throughout the startup world, primarily because these are some of the hardest things about building a successful business even if you already know that they're the hardest things . This is clearly just a self-reflective piece, entitled "lessons I learned" not "lessons you should learn". If the rest of us want th…

Their observation isn't remotely an ad hominem: They are specifically criticizing the message, not the speaker.

And their point is valid: There is a wide "startup" belief that you needn't know the market or domain, the customers, etc. You just need to find a domain name and make a web page and customers will come and somehow a business will fall together. Only the overwhelming odds are that it will face likely failure.

Another trait of many of these types of posts is what idlewords points out: The tendency for people to generalize lessons. This is the risk of the dirty sushi restaurant with poor service that inevitably fails, but then writes a broad treatise about how the area won't support sushi restaurants. We see this constantly among such "lessons learned", where macro inputs are often substituted for micro failures.

Re: Lessons I learned from the failure of my first startup, Dinnr

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't help but have a negative reaction to your comment. Yes, similar "lessons learned" are proliferated throughout the startup world, primarily because these are some of the hardest things about building a successful business even if you already know that they're the hardest things . This is clearly just a self-reflective piece, entitled "lessons I learned" not "lessons you should learn". If the rest of us want th…

Their observation isn't remotely an ad hominem: They are specifically criticizing the message, not the speaker. And their point is valid: There is a wide "startup" belief that you needn't know the market or domain, the customers, etc. You just need to find a domain name and make a web page and customers will come and somehow a business will fall together. Only the overwhelming odds are that it will face likely failur…

Many of the start-up lessons here are those preached by Eric Reis, Steve Blank, and others. I don't think this is a broad treatise on how food start-ups won't work.

Also:

..."things no responsible person would ever not know before even considering raising money." ...

...classic marketing grad trying to do startup things...

...over-exuberant and irresponsible entrepreneurs...

not sure how you don't see this as ad hominem critical.

Re: Lessons I learned from the failure of my first startup, Dinnr

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to CrunchBase [1]: Most Recent Funding $15 Million Series A on August 9, 2014 Not bad! [1] http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/plated

We tried plated as well as blue apron. In reality, both of them were way too much work. We were excited to try them but don't miss them at all. I think the blog describes it well: this is not a real pain point (at least for us - 2 adults, one baby).

Blue apron freaked me out because they deliver a huge box that is 80% packaging and cold packs. Inside that box are many other little boxes that contain, for example, a single tomato.

They require you to be pretty adept with a chopping knife and good at prep work, while assuming that the only ingredient you own is cooking oil. So you get cocaine-like bags full of two tablespoons of flour.

It's like a sous chef simulator that fills your house with packaging. I buy as much as I can from them, since I figure they are running at a loss and I want venture capitalists subsidizing my dinner.

But it freaks me out to stab all those melted cold packs and bleed them out into the sink every night.

Re: Lessons I learned from the failure of my first startup, Dinnr

#39
Post mordems like this make me sad.

Not for the founder's bank account per se, but for the fact that he has all the wrong takeaways from his startup experience.

You started off well. You did the market research. Great. You've clearly gotten people interested in the service. Even better. You demonstrated in your post that a clear-headed approach was taken and you objectively determined people would want your product.

But then ... what ... you just buy a bunch of groceries and think people will just engage with your service? Not once in your start-up debrief do you mention your marketing approach. That's a huge red-flag for me about how you thought about your business.

Lesson 8. Marketing.

I believe this idea would have worked if you had decent marketing. Do I live in England? No. But I still know that the Brits are getting a lot more concerned about health. Even Jamie Oliver with school dinners and other social ventures. It's a sentiment that has cultural traction and I think the idea here is great.

But marketing ... oh yeah that thing:

- What was your overall engagement strategy?

- What genuinely creative concepts did you come up with that would make your service compelling and sexy to your people?

- How did you demonstrate how to use the service?

- How did you make others see the value your market research subjects saw?

- What compelled people to emotionally invest in your company as a consumer?

OP, you're a smart guy - so I'm using your failure as a case-study for a greater trend I see amongst startups around "pain points". Sure, pain points are important. But people forget that marketing, done well, is the creation of pain points.

I believe most startups die because founders don't have a vision beyond the mechanics of the business. It's sad to see post-mortems like these that point the finger back at the idea - which was inspired and had legs. I'm not sure what the marketing strategy was here (OP didn't think it was important enough to tell us), but I'm assuming like most he was happy enough with I-stock artwork and a quirky explainer animation that the public is so thoroughly bored of.

Re: Lessons I learned from the failure of my first startup, Dinnr

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post #21

I can't help but have a very negative reaction to this, not necessarily at the author, but at the startup ecosystem as a whole. These are posted as "lessons" as if they were difficult to learn, when this really should be labeled "things no responsible person would ever not know before even considering raising money." Of course you should be self-critical of your product, of course you should test with real customers,…

I can't help but have a negative reaction to your comment. Yes, similar "lessons learned" are proliferated throughout the startup world, primarily because these are some of the hardest things about building a successful business even if you already know that they're the hardest things . This is clearly just a self-reflective piece, entitled "lessons I learned" not "lessons you should learn". If the rest of us want th…

Don't call things ad hominem that aren't, you dumb jerk.
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