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Why Amazon Has No Profits and Why It Works

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Re: Why Amazon Has No Profits and Why It Works

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Interesting note: Over 50% of the volume and driving force of Amazon's huge merchandise growth mentioned in the article is from small ($100k - $20m a year) mom and pop businesses around the country selling on Amazon. I wrote a blog post about it a while ago - http://www.kevinlordbarry.com/amazons-little-known-world-cha... . a16z touches on this, but it has wider reaching implications than just Amazon's revenue.

$20m / year is a mom & pop business?

A million dollars ain't what it used to be.

Re: Why Amazon Has No Profits and Why It Works

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It'll be interesting to see how their profitability trends as they adjust their prices. I've seen a trend over the past year or more of dramatically higher prices for things I've previously purchased from Amazon. I can do a 1-for-1 comparison on receipts, and see the huge bump. In some cases, those products are more expensive everywhere, but in most cases, I'm able to find those items at a price close-to or better th…

The real question is if buyers will stick around once prices go up. I remember, during the bubble, buy.com's strategy was to sell at a loss, grow customer base and then raise prices. The first two parts worked reasonably well, but once they raised prices, everyone left.

Re: Why Amazon Has No Profits and Why It Works

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It'll be interesting to see how their profitability trends as they adjust their prices. I've seen a trend over the past year or more of dramatically higher prices for things I've previously purchased from Amazon. I can do a 1-for-1 comparison on receipts, and see the huge bump. In some cases, those products are more expensive everywhere, but in most cases, I'm able to find those items at a price close-to or better th…

The real question is if buyers will stick around once prices go up. I remember, during the bubble, buy.com's strategy was to sell at a loss, grow customer base and then raise prices. The first two parts worked reasonably well, but once they raised prices, everyone left.

With great information (Internet), any product is a commodity as long as there is no single supplier.

Re: Why Amazon Has No Profits and Why It Works

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It'll be interesting to see how their profitability trends as they adjust their prices. I've seen a trend over the past year or more of dramatically higher prices for things I've previously purchased from Amazon. I can do a 1-for-1 comparison on receipts, and see the huge bump. In some cases, those products are more expensive everywhere, but in most cases, I'm able to find those items at a price close-to or better th…

The real question is if buyers will stick around once prices go up. I remember, during the bubble, buy.com's strategy was to sell at a loss, grow customer base and then raise prices. The first two parts worked reasonably well, but once they raised prices, everyone left.

At least 50% of Amazon's volume by sales is by 3rd party sellers who most certainly DO NOT sell at a loss! For many Amazon products, prices will never raise appreciably. The post above goes into more detail on other reasons for this.

Re: Why Amazon Has No Profits and Why It Works

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Interesting note: Over 50% of the volume and driving force of Amazon's huge merchandise growth mentioned in the article is from small ($100k - $20m a year) mom and pop businesses around the country selling on Amazon. I wrote a blog post about it a while ago - http://www.kevinlordbarry.com/amazons-little-known-world-cha... . a16z touches on this, but it has wider reaching implications than just Amazon's revenue.

$20m / year is a mom & pop business?

In retail, yes. Retail margins are usually less than 3%; so $20m/yr in revenue would give you less than $600k/yr in profit. Not bad money by any means; but certainly not enough to need a bunch of shareholders.

Contrast this with the fact that an average Walmart does over $100 million a year in revenue (though Walmart's margins are closer to 1%), and it's actually not that huge.

Re: Why Amazon Has No Profits and Why It Works

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Interesting note: Over 50% of the volume and driving force of Amazon's huge merchandise growth mentioned in the article is from small ($100k - $20m a year) mom and pop businesses around the country selling on Amazon. I wrote a blog post about it a while ago - http://www.kevinlordbarry.com/amazons-little-known-world-cha... . a16z touches on this, but it has wider reaching implications than just Amazon's revenue.

$20m / year is a mom & pop business?

27.5 million is mom & pop in the governments eyes for programming work.

Re: Why Amazon Has No Profits and Why It Works

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TL;DR - No matter how you squint at it, Amazon drives all profits back into growing capacity and market coverage. Amazon alone accounts for around 1% of US retail revenue.

1% is an extremely disappointing number seeing that Amazon has been around since before Google. (1994 vs 1998)
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