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> Twitter doesn't give a fuck about developers now that they have sufficiently used them to build their platform and brand. I really hate that this is the standard model for building startups these days. Make a free service, grow your userbase using investment money and by encouraging developers to build on your platform, then once users and developers are dependent on the platform, start littering it with ads, selli…

I completely agree with you, but for the use of the word "dependent". What user is dependent on Twitter? Seriously? Can't one stop tweeting in an instant without any ill effect on her life? For developers it's a different story -- but they should know better.

I would split a hair here: It's not the users as people who are dependent, necessarily, it's the content they've spent time contributing that is dependent on the existence of the 3rd party service and on Twitter itself.

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> But would it not make sense to just rebrand? Most likely not. TwitPic's only possible exit was an acquisition by Twitter, who has since developed their own image hosting platform. This is the danger of tying your startup to another company that has the power to shut you down. The company that you are tied to needs to either acquire you, or you are at their mercy.

On the bright side, Noah earned millions in profit with TwitPic over the years (by his own admission). If he has played it smart at all, he's not going to have to ever worry about money. On to the next.

Really? How? With advertising? I guess I am spoiled by AdBlock and didn't know they even made money.

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They're going to pivot and introduce a suite of new services which use the same underlying engine to share pictures across a variety of social media sites: Googpic: share on Google+ Facepic: share on Facebook Instapic: share on Instagram Tumbpic: share on Tumblr Pinterpic: share on Pinterest When interviewed, the founder stated "We plan on filing trademark applications for these new service names and anticipate no fu…

They weren't facing legal issues with Twitter, so that last part seems somewhat off base.

Re: Twitpic is shutting down

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The Twitpic homepage[1] is also 404'ing big time, perhaps it's just a devops issue more than them pulling the plug before the sunset date? It almost seems like they're playing a little hardball and showing everyone what things will be like if they disappeared from the web, which seems to be what Twitter is threatening them with since they're unable to secure the use of their name and yet millions of images are linked…

> Twitter doesn't give a fuck about developers now that they have sufficiently used them to build their platform and brand. I really hate that this is the standard model for building startups these days. Make a free service, grow your userbase using investment money and by encouraging developers to build on your platform, then once users and developers are dependent on the platform, start littering it with ads, selli…

This will never stop because it's profitable for SOHOs to build on the developer APIs. I remember the days of making 5K a day on Facebook API before they shut it all down.

Your best bet when you do implement to a dev API is to assume this is exactly what will happen and plan to pivot once you've established some mindshare.

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A year ago I wrote a quick Python script to export all my images. If anyone wants to use it (or improve on it) I blogged about it at http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2013/08/exporting-twitpic-images-pyt...

THANK YOU!!!! I just used a modified version of your script to download all my data. Again, THANK YOU!!! My version: https://gist.github.com/hugs/fa7892da03ce660c212e Changes: * Use the short_id as the image filename. * Use https instead of http when downloading the json data. * Save the json data to individiual "page-*.json" files. Quick question: Is it okay to use the MIT license for this?

Go ahead :-)

Re: Twitpic is shutting down

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> Twitter doesn't give a fuck about developers now that they have sufficiently used them to build their platform and brand. I really hate that this is the standard model for building startups these days. Make a free service, grow your userbase using investment money and by encouraging developers to build on your platform, then once users and developers are dependent on the platform, start littering it with ads, selli…

I completely agree with you, but for the use of the word "dependent". What user is dependent on Twitter? Seriously? Can't one stop tweeting in an instant without any ill effect on her life? For developers it's a different story -- but they should know better.

I have many, many twitter acquaintances I have literally no other way to contact (many I don't even know their actual names). So yes, dependent in that it's an independent, non-duplicated social graph, completely disjoint from other social graphs. Leaving it would, in fact, cause an ill effect in my life (multiple ill effects, actually), just as withdrawing from any social group.

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Indeed, the obvious counter-example to that lesson is imgur.

> Indeed, the obvious counter-example to that lesson is imgur. Is that actually a good counter-example? Are they profitable? If so, would that continue to be the case if reddit began prohibiting linking to imgur?

Reddit is one of the bigger investors in imgur. I think that's how it's a counter- example.

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Imgur has taken clear steps to hedge itself from its dependency on reddit though.

Yet it has not succeeded. Most of users base browses the sites "Viral" gallery. Which is nothing more then a "Reddit's 24 hour greatest hits", a surprisingly low number of images make it into imgur's gallery from imgur itself. TL;DR No reddit, no front page content on imgur.

I agree that they haven't succeeded in removing their dependency on reddit, but you can tell it is certainly something on Alan's mind.

I really don't understand why they have taken steps that really limit the community for no real good reason. For example, comments are limited to 140 chars, which de facto means the discussion is going to be incredibly shallow. The only reason I can think of is maybe Alan was afraid of reddit thinking he was trying to steal their users and cutting him out entirely by creating their own image hosting solution, so he purposely limited imgur's ability to develop its own community to not upset reddit stakeholders. (EDIT: It appears imgur has recently taken investment money from reddit, so now this threat is much less of a concern).

For example, why hasn't imgur adopted a subreddit style model to help organize the content on the site? It's a no brainer to help develop individual communities with actual focus instead of having one giant "random" feed. Anyone who argues that would be stealing an idea from reddit clearly hasn't been to a forum before. All forum's are divided by topic... except imgur.

|Most of users base browses the sites "Viral" gallery. Which is nothing more then a "Reddit's 24 hour greatest hits", a surprisingly low number of images make it into imgur's gallery from imgur itself.

Additionally, using a subreddit approach would allow imgur to bridge the gap from "reliance on reddit" to all content coming from within the imgur community itself. That is, if imgur was to switch off content from reddit right now, the quality of the site's content would plummet. User's would be confused (as most it seems don't actually understand where the content comes from) and there would honestly probably be a huge drop in the userbase. However, if they adopt a subreddit approach, with the first/main "subimgur" being "viral" which stays the exact same as it is now, then as the additional subimgurs that get created increase in quality they will naturally begin to take over more and more of the homepage allowing for a seamless transition away from reddit content to entirely imgur content.

Lastly, the layout of the site could use an upgrade in my opinion. I would prefer a hot ranked layout with full size images in descending order, basically reddit+RES with all images expanded, but with comments expandable under each post (or show top 3-5 comments under each post with clickable button to expand all -- or have the comments as a sidecar to each post when site is viewed on a desktop/tablet), which is a better user experience than having to click from image to image. Alan might be afraid that layout would kill their monetizable page views, since now they get a pageview per image where they can display a new ad. But the fact of the matter is, the impressions/pageview model of online advertising is dying fast. Using a feed instead of displaying one image at a time means imgur could integrate a native advertising solution, which pays much better than traditional display ads. If Alan is afraid of immediate drop in revenue that would come from transitioning to a new (though significantly better longterm) ad model, maybe it's time for imgur to actually take in some investment capital that VCs are constantly trying to throw at it.

EDIT: It appears imgur has taken $40 MM in investment this year, I wasn't aware of that.

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