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Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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That's not really what happened though. I had a contract for a minimum of four months on the apartment. Which wouldn't have been a problem for me even if I quit after three months. I deposited the last months rent when I signed the contract. When I informed the landlord that I could only stay two months, she kept the deposit and forced me to leave the apartment in the middle of the second month.

Your landlord treating you illegally is not unbabel's problem. Did you seek help from Portuguese legal system for your landlord problem?

Have you had any experience with the Portuguese state or legal system? I'd probably still be standing in a queue somewhere.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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post #217

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Your landlord treating you illegally is not unbabel's problem. Did you seek help from Portuguese legal system for your landlord problem?

Have you had any experience with the Portuguese state or legal system? I'd probably still be standing in a queue somewhere.

So, it's never you?

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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Kind of hard to tell when the entire f cking contract is in Portuguese and you depend on someone else to explain it to you. I still have no idea if the clause is in there or not. What I can't get through my head is why you'd write a contract at all if both parties are free to do whatever the f ck they want anyway...

You can write fuck - writing f *ck causes italicization. Did you take the contract to someone outside Unbabel to check?

And I'm sorry about the cursing, reading the comments brought a lot of stuff up to the surface again.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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For the record I am a co-founder and CEO of Unbabel. I feel that I should respond to these allegations. 1 - The contract we had with Andreas was full time employee contract. The first three months were "at will" which means that either one was free to terminate the relation at any time. We have a signed contract to prove it and I am happy to share a sample of the contract to anyone that wants. When we fired him, we n…

"Everyone in Unbabel is expected to participate actively in the company Meaning that they are part of the planning, and encouraged to be autonomous in creating the best products possible. We truly enjoy working with each other and spending time together. For example, every week we go surfing on Wednesday morning in the beautiful beaches of Lisbon. It is not mandatory, but every one has loved it so far. It is an amazi…

And just for the record, everyone hasn't loved it so far. The last thing I did before being fired was opting out of surfing because I didn't enjoy it at all. I got the feeling that most of the employees would rather have done something else, including working.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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Did you read yourself? What do you know about his life? Could he have lost all his savings due to a a divorce, or an accident, or some other type of tragedy? What if he always had to support others?

I hope he didn't take the decision to leave a good job in a country with one of the best economies in Europe for a start-up job in a country with one of the worst economies in Europe - while having no savings and/or having to support others.

Unbabel is unique in that they offer Valley level compensation in Portugal. From what I could see at the time, this was a good move.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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post #212

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This highlights one of the risks with going and working in another country - what seems fair, reasonable and legal to you may be very different in another country. As someone who lives in Europe I find American hire / fire at will contracts terrifying (getting rid of someone in the UK can be a torturous process, in other European countries even worse) but obviously in most states (?) in the US they're the norm. Lesso…

> (getting rid of someone in the UK can be a torturous process, It's really easy to get rid of employees in England. While it's not quite "at will" it's pretty close. You don't even need to give a reason in writing if the person has been working for you for less than 2 years. https://www.gov.uk/dismissal > You have the right to ask for a written statement from your employer giving the reasons why you’ve been dismisse…

It really isn't, trust me, I've been through it a few times (as an employer).

There is a lot of detail hidden behind this:

"If you’re dismissed, your employer must show they’ve:

* a valid reason that they can justify * acted reasonably in the circumstances

They must also:

* be consistent - eg not dismiss you for doing something that they let other employees do * have investigated the situation fully before dismissing you - eg if a complaint was made about you"

There actually aren't that many valid reasons. Cultural fit certainly isn't one (and has the potential to get you in all sorts of equalities issues if there is any possibility that age, religion or anything else can be seen as a proxy for the way you didn't fit).

If you want to claim someone isn't good at their job you need to be able to back it up and show you gave them every opportunity to turn it around (including having given them all the relevant support and training). Generally speaking that would be a performance management exercise (several weeks of monitored performance) which is time consuming and rubbish for all involved.

And that's before you even get into the whole performance is hard to accurately measure in IT issues.

The investigated fully part is also important. If you diverge from your stated policy (or a reasonable policy if there isn't one stated - the ACAS one is usually the template) then you can be found against at a tribunal even if you reasons and evidence were sound.

Obviously people do ignore all this and get away with it (particularly in IT where people can often get new jobs relatively easily) but that doesn't mean you will or that what you did was legal.

Your best shot is if the contract has a defined probation period (3 to 6 months) during which you can pretty much get rid of people at will but after that, even before 2 years is up, it's going to take some work. It's not impossible but it's an exercise which will take a lot of your time and likely have a significant impact on team morale.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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post #131

For the record I am a co-founder and CEO of Unbabel. I feel that I should respond to these allegations. 1 - The contract we had with Andreas was full time employee contract. The first three months were "at will" which means that either one was free to terminate the relation at any time. We have a signed contract to prove it and I am happy to share a sample of the contract to anyone that wants. When we fired him, we n…

A position just opened up :) Most inappropriate HN job posting, ever. Is it perhaps a culture/language barrier? Do they even realize how callous their little segue is?

That's just how employment is handled here in Portugal. Something along the lines of: "Don't want to enjoy our amazing company culture and below average compensation? There are dozens who would, for even less pay".

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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The thing is we're only seeing one side of the story. It assumes both parties agree. That being said generally all contracts have an early termination clause. He doesn't comment on what that is. Generally with 3 month contracts, it can be pretty short. It doesn't necessarily mean finish the 3 months. To give you an analogy if you hire a general contractor to renovate your home for a 3 month contract, you can terminat…

The whole contract was written on paper in Portuguese. I still don't know if the clause is in there or not. They certainly didn't mention it when they explained the contract to me. Naive, yes probably, but I prefer not suspecting everyone of being assholes before the fact.

Something I've learned is never sign any work or business contracts unless you fully read through it and understand it. Even if this means getting your own lawyer to read it.

Unfortunately saying you did understand the language is not a valid reason. It sucks but that's also the reason why thee were so many bad mortgages in the recent real estate bust. Too many people didn't read their mortgage agreements.

As the saying goes everything is good while it's good and everything goes bad when it goes bad.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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The whole contract was written on paper in Portuguese. I still don't know if the clause is in there or not. They certainly didn't mention it when they explained the contract to me. Naive, yes probably, but I prefer not suspecting everyone of being assholes before the fact.

Something I've learned is never sign any work or business contracts unless you fully read through it and understand it. Even if this means getting your own lawyer to read it. Unfortunately saying you did understand the language is not a valid reason. It sucks but that's also the reason why thee were so many bad mortgages in the recent real estate bust. Too many people didn't read their mortgage agreements. As the say…

I agree, lesson learned.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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post #131

For the record I am a co-founder and CEO of Unbabel. I feel that I should respond to these allegations. 1 - The contract we had with Andreas was full time employee contract. The first three months were "at will" which means that either one was free to terminate the relation at any time. We have a signed contract to prove it and I am happy to share a sample of the contract to anyone that wants. When we fired him, we n…

I'm always surprised when a company is so quick to publicly comment on a sensitive personnel matter, but that said, it's interesting to note what this response doesn't contain. The OP basically called into question the quality and stability of Unbabel's platform ("The code was a tangled mess of mindless duplication, half-implemented features and misleading comments. Of the few automated tests that existed, most didn'…

the claims about my platform and the competence of my team would be my focus and I'd address them head on

Why? A former employee criticizes the company they were fired from -- that carries essentially zero weight to pretty much anyone, and you seem to be among very, very few who took it at face value. Heck, even if they weren't fired and didn't have the axe to grind, people complain about "spaghetti" code with such vigor and frequency in this industry that it has become essentially meaningless: It's the standard fall-back when someone is in over their head -- attack others, malign their code and technology, and try to pull up yourself by tearing down others.

Further, how in the world can you complain about them commenting on a "personal" matter, when they are responding to a guy who posted a highly-critical extortion rant. I call it an extortion rant because he even claims that if he warned them that they need to pay up or face his public flailing.

That's incredibly lame.

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