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Re: Email will last forever

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My opinionated 2¢ on why e-mails will live while many an "e-mail killer" dies mourned by no one. E-mail is just better way of doing snail-mail, a technology that we had since we first invented writing. One could say that our whole civilization is built on such communication, as one could not conduct business, make a war or govern a country without mail. E-mails is just the same, only faster, and it shares all the ben…

I assume the only reason people boldly claim they will kill email is so they can get VCs excited about their disrupt strategy. It's always about taking out an entire existing industry or system (see Uber).

I think that Maciej Cegłowski got it right in his talk [0] with the concept of investor storytime.

To quote:

"Recall that advertising is when someone pays you to tell your users they'll be happy if they buy a product or service.

Yahoo is an example of a company that runs on advertising. Gawker is a company that runs on advertising.

Investor storytime is when someone pays you to tell them how rich they'll get when you finally put ads on your site.

Pinterest is a site that runs on investor storytime. Most startups run on investor storytime.

Investor storytime is not exactly advertising, but it is related to advertising. Think of it as an advertising future, or perhaps the world's most targeted ad.

Both business models involve persuasion. In one of them, you're asking millions of listeners to hand over a little bit of money. In the other, you're persuading one or two listeners to hand over millions of money."

Most startups indeed do run on investor-storytime.

[0] - http://idlewords.com/bt14.htm

Re: Email will last forever

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I find it interesting to contrast 'forever' with another technology that will last forever 'vinyl records'. I expect there will always be point to point, store and forward communication channels, but those channels have existed for millenia, from travelers who stacked rocks to tell those who came after where the trail was, to people who send compromising photos of themselves across cellular networks. So if we set asi…

I agree with the author's premise. Email is the ultimate "killer app" you can digitally deliver anything to anyone via email, and many folks use it for all sorts of different processes and purposes. Solutions that claim to displace email don't really displace email -- they displace common use cases that were handled ad hoc using email as a lowest common denominator. Most of these use cases cry out for a more structur…

Your summary makes me think that the reasons for which huge number of people uses Excel as a database at work are very similar. There is such a thing as not enough flexibility, too much structure.

Re: Email will last forever

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The fact "email will last forever" is precisely why I believe it is absolutely the best protocol to build automatic services to access and share personal information. I have spoken about it here: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=76 Edit: Someone1234: you don't need to wait for companies to support my proposal. It already works today with Gmail: try my live demo on pm33at@gmail.com - it works by leveraging standard auto-res…

This is a very simple, yet elegant idea. I'm beating myself with a stick not to have thought of it earlier!

Re: Email will last forever

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I hate the tight coupling slack introduces. It should have been called leash instead. Glad to see it slowly going away.

Email is a product of the 60s predating HTTP itself and built to stand on its own. Its non-invasive and loosely coupled which scales across all kinds of people. Not just for ADD nerds like us.

Re: Email will last forever

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The fact "email will last forever" is precisely why I believe it is absolutely the best protocol to build automatic services to access and share personal information. I have spoken about it here: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=76 Edit: Someone1234: you don't need to wait for companies to support my proposal. It already works today with Gmail: try my live demo on pm33at@gmail.com - it works by leveraging standard auto-res…

Just read your writeup and tested it. Holy hell, this is an awesome idea! I would like seeing it adopted just like social sign-ins.

Re: Email will last forever

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> "People spend on average 2.5 hours per day on their emails" Source? That seems really, really high to me for an average .

Well, it's not high if you count writing in. Today I spent ~2h just on a single e-mail conversation (few e-mails sent, few received). Writing thoughtfully to another human takes time.

Re: Email will last forever

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There are tools to make use of HTTP in all sorts of ways. Curl, Wget, Restful APIs, Sinatra, Grape, etc. Fast, flexible, lightweight. Email - not so much. Want a local email server? There's Postfix - yuckkk. The overhead of spam - yuckk. The lack of tooling, the lack of configurability, the DNS complexity. The fact that it requires a SAAS to do shared inboxes. Yuck. Email could be so much better.

What's wrong with Postfix? Sure, configuring it takes a little work, but it's not hard, especially not by comparison with Sendmail, which was the standard everywhere when I began my career.

Re: Email will last forever

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if anything, that just make SMS a more reliable way to reach someone.

i change my phone number more often than my email address, though..

Why's that? At least within the US I can easily port a number between providers. But if I want to stop using Gmail and switch to Yahoo, I'm screwed. All of my accounts use the gmail address for my login, and most have no visible mechanism for changing it.

I don't change my phone number because it's easy to keep it. I don't change my email because the address is tied to a specific provider and getting everyone to switch to using my new one may be impossible.

Re: Email will last forever

#100
When Google Wave appeared on public I really liked and believed it would replace the email. I think one day the, now open sourced, Apache Wave Project will rebirth with: - a fast user interface (today really sucks); - decentralized and easy to install servers; - Features that are missing;
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