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Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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If you read between the lines, it seems like this job definitely wasn't the right fit. Hence, they were probably in the right for letting you go. But they're definitely in the wrong for how they handled it. In particular, knowing that you moved to Portugal for the job, they should have given you severance sufficient to cover relocation back to Sweden.

> they were probably in the right for letting you go. They violated his three month contract. They are not just morally wrong, but legally so as well. If anything it sounds like they're pushing him around because they don't think he'll make the legal effort to get 1.5 months of pay.

They probably didn't.

Again, without knowing the contract, I can't say for sure, but what most likely happened was he was hired with a fixed term contract (Contrato Termo Certo), which is a kind of employment contract very common in Portugal. This doesn't mean he can't be fired for 3 months. There are various provisions for the company to do so (from probation period to lack of productivity or unfit for the job) but they do require some process (the employee has to be informed by writing, is entitled to some severance, etc). On this, and if the account is true is where the company maybe in more trouble. If he worked for 1 month and got 1.5 months of pay, that .5 maybe the severance he is entitled to (not sure about the values so I can't specify if that is correct or not)

As for the generality of the Portuguese employment law, you usually have 3 kinds of contracts:

- independent contractor/recibos verdes: This is usually a business to business contract, where the 'employee' has little rights regarding employment law except the ones provisioned in the contract itself. Employee also has to pay all taxes/social security. There has been some crack down on these as employers were abusing employees and avoiding paying taxes. There are similar provisions to this in the UK for example with their IR35, which means even if the contract is of this nature, they will be taxed as full-time employees.

- fixed term contract: An employment contract with a set end date (can be renewed for a certain amount of times). The usual rules apply regarding vacation, pay, firing processed etc. These regulations are law and while there is some margin to tweak the amounts, they can't be modified or you can't sign of your rights away.

- non-fixed term contract: This is what most countries have as standard employment contract but in Portugal it is a bit harder to come by. While things changed recently, up until a few years back, most employers didn't want to do this contracts since firing an employee in this cases is next to impossible without paying a huge settlement amount. So employers usually did fixed term contract with new employees, renew them for the allowed number (usually in total used to be no more than 18 months) and then either let them go (with no severance) or move them to this kind of contract.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

#93

I feel for you too. It wasn't a startup and the job was local, but I took a salary drop and swapped a cosy-but-unrewarding role with a global corporate to join a 40-strong SaaS development company that wanted someone to come in and sort out their internal and customer support infrastructure - they had no strategy, procedures or hierarchy and were constantly firefighting - shuffling resources between projects accordin…

Yikes most all of that applies to my current role... But at the end of the day, a chaotic process IS a process. And if the company is pulling in money the process is successful by at least one measure. I think the trick is to grow past the 'whatever it takes' phase and get to the long term, steady, maturation phase. Which is what we are trying to do.

That was my stance at that final meeting (which was very matter of fact and calm): "I feel you could run this business in a way that's much better organised to grow further, but at the end of the day it's your business, not mine..."

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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post #85

I agree with many of the other comments here: If this story is true, Unbabel's behavior is reprehensible. That said, look at Andreas Wild's G+[1]. He has another recently-created blog in which he spouts off some weirdness about consciousness and astrology[2]. This makes me think he is a somewhat unstable person. And it reinforces my initial feeling that we should wait for both sides of the story to emerge before form…

nice ad hominem assmunch

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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post #85

I agree with many of the other comments here: If this story is true, Unbabel's behavior is reprehensible. That said, look at Andreas Wild's G+[1]. He has another recently-created blog in which he spouts off some weirdness about consciousness and astrology[2]. This makes me think he is a somewhat unstable person. And it reinforces my initial feeling that we should wait for both sides of the story to emerge before form…

The consciousness article is from last year.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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As terrible as this experience was, what's most alarming is that you're 37, have been working for nearly 20 years in this field, and don't have enough savings to tide you over even two months without work. You really need to learn to save your income and cut your lifestyle. I hope that if it turns out your story is true, that these guys are in some way brought to justice, karmic or otherwise. Best of luck.

This guy is a symptom of an alarming trend I've seen in the field. We're all riding high, spending every $ we make because we think the end will never come. I think it will, and a lot of us are going to be bankrupt. I don't care what financial disasters may occur - I very much doubt they'd occur in such frequency that over 20 years of working in a high income job this guy wouldn't have 15,000$ handy for something lik…

The thing you have to understand, 80k USD is a very very very high salary for most people (even developers) in Europe. And the ones that make that can most likely see 1/2 of that go away in taxes/social security. Cost of living will probably be higher than the equivalent salary in the USA.

On the other hand, people should get unemployment benefits when situations like this occur, unfortunately for him, the moving countries may have prevented that (for Sweden employment agency, he quit his Swedish job, not fired, and for Portuguese one, he didn't work enough months to qualify. I'm sure there are some international provisions for these situations but they are beyond me).

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you find the good ones you're nice to them because it's in everyone's interest. Why do you have to differentiate being nice to people based on their abilities in any way at all? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point?

You should be as nice as you can to everyone, but pragmatically speaking you can't. There isn't enough time, money, or energy available. There are a good reasons to prioritise certain people though - I was suggesting that people who will have an impact on the startup industry are such people.

> You should be as nice as you can to everyone, but pragmatically speaking you can't. There isn't enough time, money, or energy available.

Being nice to someone isn't the sum of all time, money and energy expended on someone. It's just treating them with respect and dignity when your path crosses with theirs.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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>I arrived in the final stages of a big rewrite of the core architecture that was already late. The code was a tangled mess of mindless duplication, half-implemented features and misleading comments. Of the few automated tests that existed, most didn't even run anymore. I feel for you. But with your experience, this shouldn't be a surprise for you?? The focus in Startups is to get the code out and get a (paying) cust…

Mindless duplication shouldn't be a part of any software project, full-stop. It takes only slightly more time to refactor code into functions than it does to copy and paste, and the difference in comprehensibility is massive.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

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I don't know about European labor laws or your contract, but by US standards I don't think they did anything wrong and a blog post such as this would be perceived negatively.

edit: I mean no offense but just wanted to make you aware how this would be perceived by US readers potentially. US is lacking in a lot of labor protections.

Re: Failing the startup game at Unbabel

#100

There was a great piece of advice I was given about 20 years ago by the South African guru of franchising, Eric Parker: "Run your small business as if it was a large business", or, "Start as you mean to go on". There is a great deal of bullshit in the tech industry; that chaos is somehow normal and that planning and the principles of good management can wait "till we're big". It should be painfully obvious that once…

"Run your small business as if it were a large business" is a quote that I would disagree with for startups, for two reasons:

- it encourages premature scaling

- many large businesses have lost the ability to innovate and lost the ability to respond quickly to market changes.

Both of those consequences can be fatal for a startup.

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