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HTTP/2 interop pains

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Re: HTTP/2 interop pains

#11
post #2

Is this a mistake or Google trying to force the standards process in their favour? Users seem to be blaming Firefox, not Google.

It is a mistake that Google rolls out a new protocol implementation without testing it in the two known major products that support it.

Re: HTTP/2 interop pains

#12
post #9
post #8

Does it work on Chrome (nightly or with that support enabled)? Does anybody disagree that this is a no brainer for Mozilla: they should work that around ASAP (with a HTTP/2 blacklist for example). The impact is so high and it affects too many users. Also note that Google in its deepest feelings wants FF down so this may by even intentional since people will always blame the client.

Why should Mozilla act? This only affects nightlies and beta, as the article stated. If you use one of those, you should expect things to occasionally not work.

When I asked my 11-year-old brother what browser he used (since I saw chrome and firefox on the desktop), he informed me that he used "Firefox Nightly" (which I hadn't noticed, but was also present), because "it's a little better". He had no idea what it was. I don't know how he found it in the first place.

Re: HTTP/2 interop pains

#13
post #2

Is this a mistake or Google trying to force the standards process in their favour? Users seem to be blaming Firefox, not Google.

> Is this a mistake or Google trying to force the standards process in their favour? Users seem to be blaming Firefox, not Google.

Given Google's history around this whole HTTP/2.0 shenanigans, I see little reason to see anything in their favour.

They are probably gambling that Firefox will fold (like they forced them to with DRM) so that once again, they can have it their way internet-wide without having to wait for annoying things like feedback from others and standards-committees and such.

They will probably win.

Re: HTTP/2 interop pains

#14
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should Mozilla act? This only affects nightlies and beta, as the article stated. If you use one of those, you should expect things to occasionally not work.

When I asked my 11-year-old brother what browser he used (since I saw chrome and firefox on the desktop), he informed me that he used "Firefox Nightly" (which I hadn't noticed, but was also present), because "it's a little better". He had no idea what it was. I don't know how he found it in the first place.

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Re: HTTP/2 interop pains

#15
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should Mozilla act? This only affects nightlies and beta, as the article stated. If you use one of those, you should expect things to occasionally not work.

When I asked my 11-year-old brother what browser he used (since I saw chrome and firefox on the desktop), he informed me that he used "Firefox Nightly" (which I hadn't noticed, but was also present), because "it's a little better". He had no idea what it was. I don't know how he found it in the first place.

> I don't know how he found it in the first place.

4chan, directly or indirectly. They have some crazy obsession with it.

Re: HTTP/2 interop pains

#16
post #8

Does it work on Chrome (nightly or with that support enabled)? Does anybody disagree that this is a no brainer for Mozilla: they should work that around ASAP (with a HTTP/2 blacklist for example). The impact is so high and it affects too many users. Also note that Google in its deepest feelings wants FF down so this may by even intentional since people will always blame the client.

In no way does Google want Firefox down. Besides basically funding Firefox by sponsoring Mozilla, Chrome's official position is simply to drive forward web technology. The Chrome team may want to make their browser better than the competition, but they also want the competition to challenge, and help improve Chrome and the web.

This will simply boil down to someone not fully testing the implementation, especially since it's an extra, not a base feature. If this was an issue with Firefox stable, it would be more pronounced and worrying.

Re: HTTP/2 interop pains

#19
post #2

Is this a mistake or Google trying to force the standards process in their favour? Users seem to be blaming Firefox, not Google.

Was it typical behavior of SPDY before to block the connection unless it could pass cookies through? If not, then it definitely feels like Google is trying to force cookie-usage through the protocol, and by shipping it like this, it forces browser vendors to adopt it as-is.

How do you imagine logging in without a cookie? And the browser in question supports cookies, it's just a bug.

This whole thread is just full of some weird anti-Google paranoia way beyond any healthy level of scepticism.

Re: HTTP/2 interop pains

#20
SPDYCheck.org has shown that Google has been advertising support for the suspect h2-14 draft spec for several days now.

http://spdycheck.org/#google.com

From the list of protocols:

Success! SPDY is Enabled! Hurray, this website is using SPDY! The following protocols are supported:

spdy/5a1 h2-14 spdy/3.1 spdy/3 http/1.1

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