Wow, I was floored by the average cost of ownership. Mine is nowhere near that low: 1. $0. I don't have payments is 15 years old, so it's not depreciating significantly. 2. $1250. I fill up about once every two weeks. Old cars have less safety features, which me ans better fuel efficiency. 25 mpg. 3. $0. I've never had an auto loan. 4. $300. Old car and perfect driving record. Still have good coverage (uninsured moto…
A Financial Model Comparing Car Ownership with UberX in Los Angeles
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Re: A Financial Model Comparing Car Ownership with UberX in Los Angeles
#92"About two years ago I sold my Lexus GS 300 and replaced it with a sleek single-speed Pure Fix commuter bike" This brought a vision of someone trying to descend from capitol hill here in seattle on a fixie (something I saw the last week) - a fixie, while still stupid is at least workable in LA (though I'd still never own one, I prefer gears), it still seems wholly impractical for seattle.
I see single-speed bikers as the luddites of cycling. I live in a relatively flat city, Dublin, but I am still constantly shifting gears. I think a lot of people don't understand how good gears really are. In a similar way, there are a lot of people cycling mountain bikes around the city, and I didn't appreciate how much better actual road bikes are while I still had my hybrid. And for non-cyclists: 15 mph (25 kmph)…
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#93Geez, $12,744 per year ? I've had my current car since 2002, which I bought new for about $14,000 (including interest, which was low because I paid the car off as quickly as I possibly could, short circuiting most of the interest payments). I go through the exercise of the total lifetime cost of my car, gas, insurance, maintenace, all told every year or two. And it's somewhere around $.30-.40 per mile or about $1 che…
> More realistically, these commute times could easily be tripled in most cities Parking is a significant cost for him, which is LA-specific, but still could be a significant burden. > I'm pretty sure I'm going to keep this car unless it needs major mechanical repairs, and so far it hasn't. Your repair cost is not zero, it's the cost of a major repair multiplied by the probability of it being required. Otherwise your…
Yeah, I can see that. And hassle. If I lived in a sufficiently dense city with good public transit, I'd get rid of my car tomorrow. In my area, you can get reserved spots for ~$250/mo. L.A. seems to run ~$100/mo to $300/mo depending on area.
> Otherwise your model is not very predictive.
No, it's perfectly predictive. I have a threshold that I will not exceed in a single repair on my car or in more than n repairs over some period of time. Once that threshold is achieved, I get rid of the car and make it the dealer's problem. I know from lots of prior experience that I can always get rid of a car for cheaper than what it would cost to fix it.
For example, I know that I will never ever pay more than $500 to repair my car. Ever. For any reason whatsoever.
I also know that once my car costs that much in repairs over 12 months, I will get rid of the car. Period. $400 over three repairs over a year? I'll keep it. $500? New car and hopefully 12 more years of almost trouble free driving.
> Lexus an Mercedes rank
Last time I checked, Mercedes had terrible reliability w/r to CR ratings. Like most German cars they have all kinds of issues with the electrical system. It's just something the Germans don't seem to have ever licked. It might have changed, but decades of not caring about the problem has made me put them in the "do not ever buy" category. Some UK sites regularly list Mercs in "least reliable" lists next to long lists of Renaults and Peugeots.
Anecdotal, all my friends who buy Mercedes cars, never buy another one because of all the time it spends getting fixed. Somehow Mercedes earned a weird reputation for reliability that I've never seen play out.
Of course, the only cars I've seen people actively work to get rid of after buying them were Land Rovers and Jaguars.
Strangely, high end Hondas (Acura in the U.S.) have much lower reliability scores than low and medium level Hondas.
Fords are getting better, but American cars are basically garbage. Lists of cars to avoid are dominated by American cars (mostly Chevys), followed closely by German cars. Mini is usually on those lists.
I've never figured out why people who buy American cars are confused by all the repair time and money they have to put into their vehicles. It's not like this isn't known and reported in virtually every car reliability survey.
"Wow my used 2006 VW Jetta diesel spends all the time in the shop? I never would have guessed something something German engineering blah blah diesels are more reliable"
You could have guessed this by actually looking up car reliability ratings.
"I can't believe that the trim and fittings started to fall off my 2005 Chevy Tahoe right before the engine required $3000 in repairs!"
You could believe it if you'd managed to crack open a used car reliability guide, any used car reliability guide, before buying it.
It could be worse, at least the American market doesn't have to contend with French cars shudder.
Here's actually decent free site built on the glassdoor principle. You share your info to get access to all the cars they have sufficient data on.
Re: A Financial Model Comparing Car Ownership with UberX in Los Angeles
#942006 Audi A4, paid off (worth about $12k as it sits), with 126k miles. $300/yr reg, $600/yr comprehensive/collision/liability insurance. I spent about $600 every 2 years on tires (so, $300/yr), $500-1000/yr on maintenance otherwise, and drive about 20k miles/yr. Free parking at home; $260/mo parking in SF, and $4-6 bridge tolls about 20 times a month. I get about 22mpg with premium gas, so $4.20/gal or so in California. I think my costs are around $0.40/mi. In any case, less than $0.57/mi, so it's "free" when reimbursed. Plus I actually like driving.
Being able to go from home to office in 17 minutes off-peak, or ~30 minutes 98th percentile traffic, vs. 50+ miles via transit, and not having to be around SF people for 2h/day: worth every penny.
(Also, having earthquake, colo-emergency, etc. stuff stashed in the trunk all the time, and a huge battery and generator for laptop, cell, etc.)
Re: A Financial Model Comparing Car Ownership with UberX in Los Angeles
#95The article disregards the fact that a car has features that Uber doesn't. One is mobile storage: you can store things in your car that you often need wherever you go. This is particularly important for parents of young children. Another one is instant availability for open-ended road trips. It's not feasible to go visit a friend two hours away with the possibility of staying overnight with an Uber. If you're going t…
Traditional car rental is for this usage case. Availability isn't quite instant but easy a day or so ahead. Uber doesn't need to cover this usage pattern since there's already an extensive market of supply. Sure, if you go every weekend you'd want to own your own car, but for infrequent such trips, regular car rental supplements an Uber-cetric lifestyle just fine.
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Potentially. But LA has millions of daily commuters. Automated electric cars will still clog up the freeways (thought hopefully less so due to less accidents, etc.) but the light rail should hopefully move more people quickly for 80% of their trips with Uber and Lyft providing the last mile. I personally think they should stop construction on the subway to the sea and roll our light rail across the city.
I hear what you're saying. But what is light rail but several electric cars daisy chained? If you can put 4 people in one (a la car pooling) and give them a dedicated HOV lane between places.......
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Once self-driving cars are available, Uber would be a major company deploying them (assuming Uber is still around and similarly positioned). They could either buy their own cars, or somehow allow private "drivers" to deploy their cars on the Uber network.
That is certainly the thesis behind the wild valuation of Uber - but so far Uber hasn't really shown the ability to lock customers into its taxi network. Whoever develops the self driving cars can build the Uber app/network part of the system much more easily than Uber will be able to build the self driving car part of the system.
Prepay discount mentioned above is about the only legitimate possibility. There are plenty of not-so-legitimate possibilities (see the Uber vs Lyft poaching discussion)