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Re: Apple Working with American Express on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments

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It is a coincidence, and it is odd that Apple seems to get attribution for emerging technology trends. All of the payment vendors are or have already embraced NFC. Here in Canada, NFC is ubiquitous, and I'd be surprised if it wasn't in the US. MasterCard's PayPass, for instance, is NFC.

I rarely use NFC payments for any purchases. If Apple gets into the payment space, I probably will. The reason they get credit is that people actually use the solutions they provide.

The reason they get credit is that people actually use the solutions they provide.

So they get credit because of a perception bubble. I've been using Google Wallet for a while now, it works fine. Before that I had a PayPass credit card, which also worked just fine.

Re: Apple Working with American Express on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments

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I rarely use NFC payments for any purchases. If Apple gets into the payment space, I probably will. The reason they get credit is that people actually use the solutions they provide.

The reason they get credit is that people actually use the solutions they provide. The entire payment industry is moving to chip / NFC, and the parent offers up that maybe Whole Foods is prepping for Apple. No, they aren't. They're prepping for, again, the entire payment industry. Hundreds of products across all major payment vendors. You haven't used it because the US payment space in particular is very slow, but so…

I live in Ireland where a fair few retailers support NFC payments and I have a card that has it. Most people don't use it.

Apple will be the first company to convince the rest of my technophobic family to actually use the technology. You're not wrong, in payments they will certainly take more credit than they are due. But, they will increase the uptake more than anyone through their implementation and you have to give them credit for that.

The interesting thing about that insight is that it does seem as though people are trying to copy Apple before they have even entered the arena. They will probably, fairly or unfairly, also get credit for creating the wearables market. My best guess is that Apple will freeze the market on Sept 9th with a product that is far superior. If they do, that conversation may ring true in the next few months.

I probably give them too much credit and you give them too little - seems like a reasonable balance.

Also, completely agree that Wholefoods are not entering because of Apple. Seems a poor assumption to be making

Re: Apple Working with American Express on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments

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The reason they get credit is that people actually use the solutions they provide. The entire payment industry is moving to chip / NFC, and the parent offers up that maybe Whole Foods is prepping for Apple. No, they aren't. They're prepping for, again, the entire payment industry. Hundreds of products across all major payment vendors. You haven't used it because the US payment space in particular is very slow, but so…

I live in Ireland where a fair few retailers support NFC payments and I have a card that has it. Most people don't use it. Apple will be the first company to convince the rest of my technophobic family to actually use the technology. You're not wrong, in payments they will certainly take more credit than they are due. But, they will increase the uptake more than anyone through their implementation and you have to giv…

>Apple will be the first company to convince the rest of my technophobic family to actually use the technology.

You seem pretty certain of that. Apple has a long list of initiative failures.

Are you overloading the technology side of this? I'm not saying "Apple versus Google Wallet", for instance -- pretty much every Canadian Mastercard, and now many debit card, has NFC on it. I pay at the gas station and the grocery store by moving my card in proximity to a reader. This is ubiquitous. Putting an Apple middleman in the solution seems unnecessary and backwards.

The interesting thing about that insight is that it does seem as though people are trying to copy Apple before they have even entered the arena.

I find this line of thought simply incredible. Wearables have been around for years, and are a simple manifestation of technological refinement in processors, displays, batteries, and wireless technology. It is happening because the technology is there and making it both possible and compelling. Yes, Apple will eventually get in the market, but the notion that everyone else is copying Apple in advance is simply incredible.

I probably give them too much credit and you give them too little - seems like a reasonable balance.

Again, the entire payment industry is moving to NFC. Wearables are becoming technologically possible and powerful. In neither case does Apple deserve any credit at all -- this isn't a case where the middle ground must be right -- and it is rather incredible when they are given any.

Re: Apple Working with American Express on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments

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I live in Ireland where a fair few retailers support NFC payments and I have a card that has it. Most people don't use it. Apple will be the first company to convince the rest of my technophobic family to actually use the technology. You're not wrong, in payments they will certainly take more credit than they are due. But, they will increase the uptake more than anyone through their implementation and you have to giv…

>Apple will be the first company to convince the rest of my technophobic family to actually use the technology. You seem pretty certain of that. Apple has a long list of initiative failures. Are you overloading the technology side of this? I'm not saying "Apple versus Google Wallet", for instance -- pretty much every Canadian Mastercard, and now many debit card, has NFC on it. I pay at the gas station and the grocery…

My parents could not text, could not make a phone call, couldn't use GPS before the iPhone. As soon as they picked up that phone, they could work it perfectly. Sure, the component parts of the solution were already there but that doesn't create a product that people use.

I should be clearer on the payments issue - this isn't a technology problem. All the technology is already there. But, I don't think Apple will serve as a what you would call a middleman They will create an experience that people can actually use. The component parts add up to nothing if no one will use them. Living in a market where NFC is fairly ubiquitous, I watch most people simply ignore it's there at all.

>Wearables have been around for years There is nothing truly compelling about any of the wearables I have seen or used over the last two years. I never said 'everyone' in the market was copying Apple. I think products like Pebble have done a great job. I was referring to the huge number of products thrown out by Samsung, Sony, LG in the last few months that give off a certain ring of desperation.

>it is rather incredible when they are given any. My guess is that the first company to move, let's say 50 million wearables, will be Apple. Pick any smart watch and try and sell it to a non-techie. Most people will not buy it. If those products were developed in a vacuum, away from Apple's influence, over the next few years I think people still wouldn't buy them. People value design, user experience mixed in with those new technologies. I don't understand how you cannot credit them at all. Microsoft had commercially available tablets long before Apple did. No one bought them. And most people aren't buying wearables and will not until Apple enters the market. You may call that timing but I don't - it's much more than that.

I acknowledge that payments are more ubiquitous than smartphones, tablets and wearables were when Apple entered the market. That does dilute my payments argument a bit. Maybe a middle ground can't be found here but to give them no credit at all seems rather ludicrous.

Re: Apple Working with American Express on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments

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Apple working with 'INSERT ANY CC PROVIDER' on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments... More interesting is the question which technology will be used. NFC has to play a role here, because the technology is in the market and scalable. My weirder and more riskier bet is that NFC on the Apple wearable will refit all older iPhones with mobile payments. Until now noone has put NFC on a wearable, even though it makes most sense to hav…

At least in the UK NFC has way too much momentum for Apple to hope to compete with anything else, but it's all contactless payment cards. I don't know anybody using NFC on their phones but I definitely would (or better yet a wearable, that's really smart) use it if something was there for it.

I just realised that since the London underground is about to go contactless I'll potentially be able to use my phone/a wearable instead of an oyster card or even a contactless card. That's awesome!

Re: Apple Working with American Express on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments

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The places where I can't use my American Express have been almost non-existent. One or two mom and pop restaurants were Visa only, but that is about it. Almost all of my monthly spending is on my American Express.

That's not my experience. I have to use an Amex card for work to make IT purchases all the time and I'd say a good 25 to 30% of the places I try to use Amex at don't except it.

I am a normal consumer, I have never used American Express for business purposes. 25 - 30% seems really high though, considering American Express used to be targeted mainly towards business users...

Re: Apple Working with American Express on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments

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The places where I can't use my American Express have been almost non-existent. One or two mom and pop restaurants were Visa only, but that is about it. Almost all of my monthly spending is on my American Express.

Agreed, I make almost all my purchases with my Amex card (mostly because of unlimited 2% cash back on everything). It's usually smaller independent restaurants that don't take American Express. It's something that I never really understood, because American Express in my experience charges lower transaction fees than Visa/Mastercard. When I had an Amex merchant account they charged a flat $7/month fee with no per-tra…

Yes, Square is definitely helping solve some of the issues for places like that.

I shop at farmers markets quite a bit, and a lot of the merchants there are using Square, and it is awesome =)

Re: Apple Working with American Express on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments

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They just installed NFC-ready consoles at my local Whole Foods. It could easily be coincidence, of course.

Most PoS systems in the U.S. are being updated to read chipped cards for the big EMV-related liability shift[1], anyway, so it makes sense to add NFC while they're at it. [1] http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-234B-3681

Isn't NFC much less secure though than chip and pin?

Re: Apple Working with American Express on iPhone 6 Mobile Payments

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That's not my experience. I have to use an Amex card for work to make IT purchases all the time and I'd say a good 25 to 30% of the places I try to use Amex at don't except it.

I am a normal consumer, I have never used American Express for business purposes. 25 - 30% seems really high though, considering American Express used to be targeted mainly towards business users...

I've found several SaaS sites that only take Visa and Mastercard, but not Discover or American Express.
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