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Re: Y Combinator to recruit more black entrepreneurs

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I'm a white startup founder in SV. Systematic discrimination due to unequal access to infrastructure really, really sucks for the black community as a whole, but if you managed to overcome it as an individual there are multiple interrelated reasons why you have a massive advantage in startups/tech that you probably aren't aware of yet. Firstly, the market is ruthless. You can't lie to yourself or others in a startup…

> Now, white well educated people with well-padded resumes will probably have easier access to venture capital, but that brings me to my next point. Isn't this really the key here? I agree with your other arguments about ultimately needing to have fluid intelligence etc. But assuming two people (one white, one black) have the same amount of intelligence, smarts etc, but one raises $10 million from Sequoia and the oth…

Of course! But in the startup world you get to pick your market, your product, your idea -- everything. If you don't have access to capital, don't pick an idea that requires a large capital injection before product/market fit because that's where you have the biggest advantage. You get to pick your battlefield here, and if you're smart you'll pick one where you have the advantage.

Once you get to product/market fit, you'll get capital no matter who you are or where you come from. The market pressure is too strong for people not to invest.

Re: Y Combinator to recruit more black entrepreneurs

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> So, you think by virtue of being black, every African-American somehow has an inherent understanding of African nations. I never mentioned African Americans in my comment. It seems that you're taking "black" to mean "African American", but that's not what my comment said. Nor the article, for that matter.

So what group do you use the word black to refer to? It is commonly used to refer to African-Americans in the US. Since YC's target is predominantly US applicants the intended group is understood to be African-Americans. The article says: "It's adding black colleges to its recruiting swing this fall, as well as reaching out to groups with strong ties to the black community to increase the pool of applicants, Altman s…

> So what group do you use the word black to refer to?

African Americans in the US. African entrepreneurs that come to American colleges, like Ashifi Gogo of Sproxil that I mentioned before. "Black skinned people from India"? Sure, them too.

All those groups are underrepresented in technology and could bring valuable perspective to what matters to the African American community, the Nigerian community, the Indian community, the Afro-Caribbean community, ...

But we've gone down a rabbit hole here. The point I was making through example was that underrepresented groups - blacks, Hispanics, women - have different perspectives that deserve attention, because there are damn good ideas there.

Re: Y Combinator to recruit more black entrepreneurs

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So, as someone who is a privileged class of the majority (white, male, 25-49), what are the roadblocks? If there's discrimination, isn't that purely the fault of the Y Combinator organisers (in this instance), and is this article then an admission that they've discriminated in the past?

Pointing out problems that a certain group is facing does not automatically make people outside that group privileged. I think your comment was meant sarcastically but this error is usually done. I am also "white" and in 25-49 group (towards the upper end, though), grew up in a different country, had my first home PC during the second year of MS degree with money earned from giving private lessons. None of my friends…

I'm also a non-American, and it wasn't sarcasm.

I think the privileged label is overused these days (esp online), but the way I see it is that I've (apparently) got it slightly easier than a black person.

Doesn't mean I didn't work hard to achieve what I have, and my parents were fairly poor, but I didn't have other people looking at me and dismissing me because of my skin colour.

Some people are more "privileged" than me, some less.

It's a scale of difficulty, and people love to label and classify.

Re: Y Combinator to recruit more black entrepreneurs

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A couple comments:

First, Altruism aside, this will likely be a win for ycombinator. There are always opportunities to be had in targeting subgroups which others neglect.

And the problem with bias is that much of it is subconscious. Unless an organisation makes a conscious effort, it will likely discriminate.

This means there's an opportunity for YC to get easier access to the cream of the crop, merely by specifically recruiting. And articles like this are helpful too, as they'll signal to would be black entrepreneurs that they should not shy away from YC.

Second, this could be very important for future african-american entrepreneurs. Reference examples are so, so important. I (white male) did not become a programmer, despite a love for math and computers. I literally didn't have a single programmer in my extended family or circle of close friends. I played around with computers, but I had no idea what a programming language was until age 25.

(If this sounds incurious, think about what massive blind spots you yourself had until recently)

If YC can fund an african-american entrepreneur who succeeds massively, then this will inspire thousands of others.

The same arguments apply to recruiting women, and inspiring women. I applaud this move, and YC's earlier initiative to recruit women.

Re: Y Combinator to recruit more black entrepreneurs

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As a young black entrepreneur that has known about YC for years now and have followed them and their large portfolio, I think they are making a smart move toward reaching out to a community where people aren't aware of programs like YC and the opportunities they provide.

Can you explain how this happens?

I cant explain how this happens, but I know YC is sparking conversation involving trends they have seen in SV. With conversation brings non-traditional SV media.

Re: Y Combinator to recruit more black entrepreneurs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Black male here, aged 18-25, Computer Science and Design student in my final semester of University. The roadblocks from a racial perspective is lack of resources and education, there is a fair amount of poverty within black America. Did you have access to a computer growing up? Maybe you had one or two in your house? Then you may have been able to learn more about programming from a younger age, or maybe you had a c…

I'm a white startup founder in SV. Systematic discrimination due to unequal access to infrastructure really, really sucks for the black community as a whole, but if you managed to overcome it as an individual there are multiple interrelated reasons why you have a massive advantage in startups/tech that you probably aren't aware of yet. Firstly, the market is ruthless. You can't lie to yourself or others in a startup…

I don't disagree with your premise about fluid intelligence, especially since the hands-down, no-question, smartest person I know is my college roommate, who happens to be black. But I do think that you are leaning quite far towards the idealized perception of Startup results being largely meritocratic. I would like to offer a counterargument.

It is widely established that the more similar someone is to you, the more likely you are to "connect" and establish rapport and understanding with that person. Like you alluded to, this is at least part of the reason why "white, well-educated, experienced young men have relatively easy access to VC capital". VC partners are predominantly well-educated caucasian folks, along with a significant minority of South Asian, East Asian, and Middle Eastern partners. The partners, even the ones trying to fight their biases, will have a natural inclination to connect and understand entrepreneurs that are similar to themselves. I am absolutely guilty of such psychological forces myself, as much as I hate to admit it.

Additionally, we have to look at sales. The people you are going to be selling to, whether it be fortune 500 CIOs or SF startup founders, again are predominantly caucasian. Like with the VC situation, all things being equal, you are more likely to "connect" with your point of contact if you have a lot in common with them. If you are starting a B2B SaaS company, Sales is even more critical than the money you raise from VCs. VCs will be much more inclined to actively fight their biases in order to find the best investments, since so much is on the line for them. I don't think you can say the same thing, or at least not nearly to the same extent, for many of the people you would be selling to. Statistically, it is thus advantageous to be caucasian.

Just being smarter and more capable may not be enough when your customers' psychology is hard-wired to be against you, even if they are not conscious of it. Perhaps this is less of an issue if you are building something that does not involve a face to face sales process on a frequent basis. But the existence of such forces cannot and should not be forgotten or overlooked.

Re: Y Combinator to recruit more black entrepreneurs

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This is awesome. A diversity of people will bring a diversity of ideas. You can find highly intelligent, driven people from all walks of life, it's a shame that there's a process broken in self-selection for software engineering and bay area startups. Although it's probably not just diverse self-selection that needs work, I imagine there's probably forms of discrimination and roadblocks that privileged classes of the…

So, as someone who is a privileged class of the majority (white, male, 25-49), what are the roadblocks? If there's discrimination, isn't that purely the fault of the Y Combinator organisers (in this instance), and is this article then an admission that they've discriminated in the past?

What are the roadblocks?

It's hard to tell in the general case and it's still an open research subject in the empirical literature [1]; but for the specific case of labor inequality, there is consistent evidence that race differences in access to networks is one key roadblock --especially in the high-tech sector, where hiring 'through the vine' is common and encouraged [ibid, pp.15-16]. This is one aspect in which outreach efforts like sama's alone can make a huge difference.

[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2915460/pdf/nihm...

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