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Re: Show HN: Howm – A Vim-like tiling X11 window manager

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Post by sp332 »

pweissbrod wrote: post #5

One of the reasons I continue development work predominantly in windows OS is its vast support for mouse-free operability. I love vim for the same reason. I tried ratpoison in linux but found it to interfere with application keyboard shortcuts. I also tried AwesomeWM but it wasnt as graceful as the windows key in windows. If someone was to solve this issue elegantly it would compel me to reconsider moving my daily de…

I would like Windows' management better if it had more options than just full-screen and half-screen. Have you tried mapping the Windows key as ratpoison's escape key? e.g. http://ratpoison.wxcvbn.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/ChangeEscapeKeyH...

Re: Show HN: Howm – A Vim-like tiling X11 window manager

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Post by deweerdt »

dons wrote: post #4

How does this differ from e.g. xmonad, which uses vi-like keybindings? It's specifically the bulk operators based on movement?

xmonad isn't modal. This apparently has three modes: 'normal', 'floating' and 'focus'. i3 also has modes: 'normal' and 'resize'.

Re: Show HN: Howm – A Vim-like tiling X11 window manager

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Post by sp332 »

rakoo wrote: post #6
pweissbrod wrote: post #5

One of the reasons I continue development work predominantly in windows OS is its vast support for mouse-free operability. I love vim for the same reason. I tried ratpoison in linux but found it to interfere with application keyboard shortcuts. I also tried AwesomeWM but it wasnt as graceful as the windows key in windows. If someone was to solve this issue elegantly it would compel me to reconsider moving my daily de…

Hum... Are we talking about the same Windows ? Have you tried other tiling window managers ? i3 [0] comes to mind, but XMonad [1] and Awesome WM [2] are 2 other popular choices in this domain. There are plenty of others to pick from, too [3]. [0] http://i3wm.org/ [1] http://xmonad.org/ [2] http://awesome.naquadah.org/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager

In Windows, Alt-Space gives you a menu that lets you move and resize windows without using the mouse. Also in Windows 7 and 8, holding the Windows/Super key and tapping "left" or "right" causes apps to take up half the screen, and "up" maximizes.

Re: Show HN: Howm – A Vim-like tiling X11 window manager

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Post by mcginleyr1 »

rakoo wrote: post #6
pweissbrod wrote: post #5

One of the reasons I continue development work predominantly in windows OS is its vast support for mouse-free operability. I love vim for the same reason. I tried ratpoison in linux but found it to interfere with application keyboard shortcuts. I also tried AwesomeWM but it wasnt as graceful as the windows key in windows. If someone was to solve this issue elegantly it would compel me to reconsider moving my daily de…

Hum... Are we talking about the same Windows ? Have you tried other tiling window managers ? i3 [0] comes to mind, but XMonad [1] and Awesome WM [2] are 2 other popular choices in this domain. There are plenty of others to pick from, too [3]. [0] http://i3wm.org/ [1] http://xmonad.org/ [2] http://awesome.naquadah.org/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager

I always liked Ion3 a lot despite the conflicts the author had with distros. http://notion.sourceforge.net/ is a fork of it that is maintained.

Re: Show HN: Howm – A Vim-like tiling X11 window manager

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Post by pweissbrod »

rakoo wrote: post #6
pweissbrod wrote: post #5

One of the reasons I continue development work predominantly in windows OS is its vast support for mouse-free operability. I love vim for the same reason. I tried ratpoison in linux but found it to interfere with application keyboard shortcuts. I also tried AwesomeWM but it wasnt as graceful as the windows key in windows. If someone was to solve this issue elegantly it would compel me to reconsider moving my daily de…

Hum... Are we talking about the same Windows ? Have you tried other tiling window managers ? i3 [0] comes to mind, but XMonad [1] and Awesome WM [2] are 2 other popular choices in this domain. There are plenty of others to pick from, too [3]. [0] http://i3wm.org/ [1] http://xmonad.org/ [2] http://awesome.naquadah.org/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager

Thats a great list thank you! I never heard of i3wm I promise to read the docs.

Yes, microsoft windows. I use version 8.1 and while most end users loathe the interface I've studied the "windows" key and "context menu" key and found it quite fast to perform all my daily operations (except web browsing) mouse-free.

My experience with linux is that some programs are great but too many dont follow standard on very common keyboard operations such as search, tab navigation, context menu. Also it seems many of these desktop windows managers such as ratpoison come with default key mappings that conflict with many of my application's default key mappings which forces me to re-configure.

I invested some time customizing key mappings that would alleviate the issues, but I have a large stack of actual programming work I need to get to, and after awhile I just felt like I was trying too hard at it and decided to go back to the system that works for me. I would like to learn a little more about developer's mouse-free success with linux, vim, browsers and ides such as intellij. 2 years back when i researched this it didnt seem like a very important issue to many people, but to me the little bits of speed gained from keyboard shortcuts add up into great savings in time and cuts in repetitive movement and I consider it to be a crucial part of any development system.

Re: Show HN: Howm – A Vim-like tiling X11 window manager

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Post by jethro_tell »

rkowalick wrote: post #7
pweissbrod wrote: post #5

One of the reasons I continue development work predominantly in windows OS is its vast support for mouse-free operability. I love vim for the same reason. I tried ratpoison in linux but found it to interfere with application keyboard shortcuts. I also tried AwesomeWM but it wasnt as graceful as the windows key in windows. If someone was to solve this issue elegantly it would compel me to reconsider moving my daily de…

I have used the awesome window manager ( http://awesome.naquadah.org ) for a long time. I think most of the big tiling window managers (DWM, xmonad) are similar. The only things I ever use a mouse for on my linux computers is browsing the web.

>The only thing I use my mouse for is browsing the web.

I love vimium and vimperator. The only thing I use my mouse for is browsing pages with flash or embedded video. Some other browsing as well, but it's nice to be able to pop back and forth between term and browser, scroll the tutorial page down then pop back without a mouse.

Re: Show HN: Howm – A Vim-like tiling X11 window manager

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Post by rkowalick »

jethro_tell wrote: post #16
rkowalick wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have used the awesome window manager ( http://awesome.naquadah.org ) for a long time. I think most of the big tiling window managers (DWM, xmonad) are similar. The only things I ever use a mouse for on my linux computers is browsing the web.

>The only thing I use my mouse for is browsing the web. I love vimium and vimperator. The only thing I use my mouse for is browsing pages with flash or embedded video. Some other browsing as well, but it's nice to be able to pop back and forth between term and browser, scroll the tutorial page down then pop back without a mouse.

It's been a while since I used vimperator/pentadactyl. I recall it not being compatible with newer versions of firefox, but from what I gather those issues seems to be resolved. I should take another look.

Most of my day is spent using OSX, and I am quite alright using a mouse in that environment for most things.

Re: Show HN: Howm – A Vim-like tiling X11 window manager

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Post by pweissbrod »

pmarsh wrote: post #8
rakoo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hum... Are we talking about the same Windows ? Have you tried other tiling window managers ? i3 [0] comes to mind, but XMonad [1] and Awesome WM [2] are 2 other popular choices in this domain. There are plenty of others to pick from, too [3]. [0] http://i3wm.org/ [1] http://xmonad.org/ [2] http://awesome.naquadah.org/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager

I think like any system once you learn all the shortcuts available and use them on a daily basis trying other setups never seem quite as good.

This might be the case for me

Re: Show HN: Howm – A Vim-like tiling X11 window manager

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Post by mateuszf »

mcginleyr1 wrote: post #14
rakoo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hum... Are we talking about the same Windows ? Have you tried other tiling window managers ? i3 [0] comes to mind, but XMonad [1] and Awesome WM [2] are 2 other popular choices in this domain. There are plenty of others to pick from, too [3]. [0] http://i3wm.org/ [1] http://xmonad.org/ [2] http://awesome.naquadah.org/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager

I always liked Ion3 a lot despite the conflicts the author had with distros. http://notion.sourceforge.net/ is a fork of it that is maintained.

Another vote for Ion3, I tried dozens tiling wm-s, none of them come even close to ion3.
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