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Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by foobarqux »

nobodysfool wrote: post #91
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's disinformation coming from both sides. It's pretty hard to have any nuanced debate on this subject, as you'll inevitably be branded a shill.

That's true. My wife is from Tajikistan, she called her mom and asked about that Malaysian airlines flight that got shot down, and it was like they were speaking two different languages. She goes 'did you hear about that plane that Russia shot down' and her mom says 'oh you mean the one that Ukraine shot down because they thought it looked like Putin's plane?' we were quite confused about what she said until we watch…

Did you know that the United States navy shot down an Iranian commercial airliner in 1988? How do you think that was reported in western media compared to how MH17 was reported?

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by vdaniuk »

RomanPushkin wrote: post #39
Haul4ss wrote: post #19

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Russian propaganda account. People inside of Russia are hearing about how the West is demonizing Russia and fabricating controversy.

West, east... same shit. Snowden can't stay in his own country, Assange is prisoner of conscience. Michael Brown in Ferguson, Iraq and "weapons of mass destruction", etc... etc. I'm from Russia, we have no much freedoms here, shitty healthcare, corruption and other crap, but when I look at the West, it comes to me that I have already seen it somewhere.

False equivalence. Again.

The West is U.S. and Denmark, Sweden, Ireland, Spain, France, Slovakia and Canada and many others.

So no, you don't look at the West, you look at some of the countries of the West with the worst human rights track record and use this as a reason state equivalence, where there is none.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by zorbo »

varsketiz wrote: post #99
zorbo wrote: post #81

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I'm in a position where I'm mostly exposed to non-western information regarding the situation in Ukraine, since my girlfriend is Russian. It's funny to see the exact opposite story as the western media is giving. Stories about pro-russians being harassed by pro-western Urkainians and the government were (and are) abundant. From their point of view, a pro-russian government was illegitimately overthrown. General opini…

The "counter-party", which is Russian media is on the defensive for a good reason. They have a lot to be defensive about, ie http://www.businessinsider.com/nato-satellite-photo-evidence... Russia is offensive in their actions and defensive in the words covering it up. Would you like to provide examples of Ukraine's unfounded allegations against Russia? Would you like to explain how this is needless escalation, when p…

> needless escalation, when part of Ukraine is occupied by Russia?

The occupation of Ukraine is something that's only happening as of just now. Before that, the situation in Ukraine was much more akin to a civil war. The escalations by the Ukrainian government have been happening since the beginning of this whole thing.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by korzun »

korzun wrote: post #85
IgorPartola wrote: post #75

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Would you say this map is propaganda? By who? The Ukrainian government? The one that can't get it's shit together to oppose this invasion, or really do much of anything managed to set up a whole bunch of very credible looking Twitter accounts, faked NATO satellite photos/reports, etc.? Ukraine has no propaganda because Ukraine doesn't have much of anything. These reports are very far from perfect, but they do seem to…

> Ukraine has no propaganda because Ukraine doesn't have much of anything. Yes. This part sums up how un-biased you are.

> Shameless plug - try grasswire's crowdsourced feed, curated and fact-checked by hundreds of people in real-time.

You do realize it's fact checked by people on computers who are probably sitting on their ass in US?

Do you think people in the conflict zones are fact checking it? Seriously?

You are playing telephone, that's what you are doing. We all know how that turns out.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by rational-future »

IgorPartola wrote: post #63
legohead wrote: post #50

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it's hard to support either Ukraine or Russia - you definitely can't believe what either have to say. Ukraine is still having protests in Kiev, and calling for impeachment of the person they just fought to have put in place there... we can't cry foul at Russia arms/tanks showing up, considering what we give to Israel et al. also, considering Putin's track record, this is too brute force for him. he does things in suc…

The situation in Ukraine is complicated, I agree. However, I believe Ukraine has the right to deal with their internal problems internally. This is like China saying "well, there are protests in DC, so let's roll the tanks right in and clean this mess up for them." > we can't cry foul at Russia arms/tanks showing up, considering what we give to Israel et al. also, considering Putin's track record, this is too brute f…

>> Ukraine is being invaded by a bull with big plans for how to re-shape Europe

Yeah, you're completely right. That bull is our MIC complex, that needs fake enemy to continue stealing over a trillion dollars annually.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by obvious_throw »

IgorPartola wrote: post #33

I am continually astounded by the amount of support Russia receives from HN commenters. Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong that it reaches all the way to the Bay area, or are there a lot of Russians on here? What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody…

Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong

The opposite, actually. Many of us see through the transparent and obviously ham-fisted attempts of the U.S. propaganda machine to drive us into another war.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by goblin89 »

ollysb wrote: post #5

"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)

There obviously is some bias. Meanwhile, independent coverage (or a convincing attempt at one) could have more pronounced media impact, I think. Recounting facts without any apparent prejudice can ‘win’ the thinking reader who is wary of being manipulated into supporting either side. Can't blame the guys, though—it may be challenging to remain neutral in this situation.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by nokiaman »

sp332 wrote: post #79
dicroce wrote: post #11

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So how do they pay you? Rubles?

RMB, to avoid volatility from sanctions against Russia.

HKD is pegged to the USD so it works well as a proxy, and if you hold for the long-term, you have the potential upside of exchanging to RMB (stronger than the HKD and trend is up versus the USD) if or when the peg is removed.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by nokiaman »

bellerocky wrote: post #100
nokiaman wrote: post #41

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Sorry, was hell banned, so switched to new handle. Timing was coincidental. This map site was only recently registered. Does that mean anything? http://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=liveuamap.com http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=liveuamap Btw, wasn't blaming Ukraine for MH17, just saying we must keep an open mind, and wait for a full independent investigation before jumping to conclusions.

> Sorry, was hell banned Aren't you not supposed to create another account after being banned? I wouldn't be surprised if you got hell banned again. You should email info@ycombinator.com to figure out how you can contribute again before creating another account after a hell ban.

It's annoying to lose karma and history, but never get a reply from them.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by bjourne »

IgorPartola wrote: post #33

I am continually astounded by the amount of support Russia receives from HN commenters. Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong that it reaches all the way to the Bay area, or are there a lot of Russians on here? What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody…

I think many hackers like me are quite anti-authorian and anti-establishment. The establishment and the media have clearly decided who the bad guys in the conflict are (Russia) and it's obvious from all the reporting. We remember what they reported in 2003 about wmd:s in Iraq so everything they say today must be read with suspicion.

In many former USSR countries there are large Russian minorities living which was moved there by the Soviet Union to "dilute" ethnic groups. A form of demographic warfare. They still live there and aren't always treated well by the ethnic majority. So when nationalists topple the government they get worried.

It's a much more complicated situation than the media reports even if it still doesn't justify a military invasion by any means.

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