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Re: Introducing Meteor 0.9.0, the Meteor Package Server, and Isobuild

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Post by pdkl95 » Thu, Aug 28, 2014, 5:45 AM UTC

coffeemug wrote: post #47

pdkl95 wrote: post #46

The problem with meteor (and similar frameworks): curl -s https://www.meteor.com/blog/2014/08/26/meteor-090-new-packaging-system \ | sed -e '/[ ]/,/[ ]/ d' If you want someone to read your article, actually sending that article would be useful. If that article has advanced features that require javascript, flash, or video/audio, you should probably give me a reason to whitelist the page. Sending and empty body tag, o…

> js is whitelist only You're not representative of the majority of online users. Not even close, by an enormous margin (95% of people don't know what JavaScript is, let alone how to disable it; out of the remaining 5% that do know, 4.999% don't care). Given that you're in an extreme minority and wield no power in the marketplace, could you give them a reason as to why they should dedicate development time to making…

Ahh, the downvotes, as expected.

> 95% of people don't know what Javascript is

Indeed. So you take every opportunity to exploit that ignorance, instead of educating them that there might be risks associated with running unknown code?

This is a perfect example of one of the larger problems in the tech industry. Your product could be something that helps them, despite their ignorance of the alphabet soup of technologies. Instead, you choose to make something that requires the client to take risks. Was there some technical reason this was necessary? No. Was here some huge benefit to speed or availability that wasn't available with other technologies? No. The benefit was personal convenience ("development time").

The next time you see someone annoyed at technology they don't understand, remember that YOU (and people like you) were the source of that frustration.

//i'm sure this will be downvoted as well, given how selfishly narrow-minded this crowd can be at times

Re: Introducing Meteor 0.9.0, the Meteor Package Server, and Isobuild

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Post by pdkl95 » Thu, Aug 28, 2014, 5:47 AM UTC

dburles wrote: post #48

pdkl95 wrote: post #46

The problem with meteor (and similar frameworks): curl -s https://www.meteor.com/blog/2014/08/26/meteor-090-new-packaging-system \ | sed -e '/[ ]/,/[ ]/ d' If you want someone to read your article, actually sending that article would be useful. If that article has advanced features that require javascript, flash, or video/audio, you should probably give me a reason to whitelist the page. Sending and empty body tag, o…

This is something that's on the roadmap, though currently there is an unofficial package available.

Thank you - I will have to give the project another look once that feature is implemented in its final form.

Re: Introducing Meteor 0.9.0, the Meteor Package Server, and Isobuild

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Post by perlmonkey » Thu, Aug 28, 2014, 6:58 AM UTC

mrcwinn wrote: post #22

maxharris wrote: post #16

If you're thinking about using Meteor for something important, now that they're at 0.9.0, don't. Meteor still doesn't have a UI component API, so making reusable, reactive interface components is basically impossible (or far more difficult than it needs to be). There's a deliberately undocumented and incomplete API that's supposed to help a little bit, but you're basically out of luck if you don't want to write spagh…

I wouldn't write a commercial, production application with anything less than 1.0. In fact, I wouldn't write a commercial, production application with anything less than a 2.1. ;-) The cost of supporting these projects early is that you're likely to be rebuilding anyway a year from now, but I think that's implicit in the version number. In my opinion, the biggest risks of Meteor are this: 1. It hitched its wagon for…

Why does everyone insist on this 1.0 nonsense? Ever looked at the latest Node.js version number?

Re: Introducing Meteor 0.9.0, the Meteor Package Server, and Isobuild

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Post by yaliceme » Thu, Aug 28, 2014, 4:56 PM UTC

dfabulich wrote: post #5

What is Isobuild? The blog post doesn't actually say, and Googling [meteor isobuild] just turns up the blog post. (Is Isobuild the tool that implements "proper single loading?")

Isobuild blog post is up now - https://www.meteor.com/blog/2014/08/28/isobuild-why-meteor-c...