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Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

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Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

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post #26

Is there a reason the old thread was killed and this up in its place? I thought the sales page contained better information than the blog post. That aside, I feel this needs to be brought up in every Dropbox thread: Get rid of Condoleezza Rice and I'll happily use your product.

One possible explanation: Dropbox is a YC company, HN is a YC website, and the previous discussion seemed to take a turn for the negative

Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

#32

A comment on the site points it out already but they charge European users more now (€9.99 which is $13.17 currently). Is there an external reason? Does that include VAT? Did they get a datacentre somewhere in the EU?

Many American cloud providers, software vendors etc. charged their USD prices in EUR to European customers, even to European customers outside the Euro zone. An American VPN and sometimes some further fiddling with your browsers usually allows to purchase in USD …

For my commercial purchases, i.e., purchases as a company, I have to pay the local VAT anyway upon import including digital services like Dropbox.

Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

#33

I've been waiting on this for a long time. Now Dropbox might actually be a viable, affordable off-site backup solution.

Dropbox isn't ideal for backup at all.

Look into Crashplan. Client-side encryption, unlimited versioning, never deletes files, and only $6/month for truly unlimited backup.

Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

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post #31
post #26

Is there a reason the old thread was killed and this up in its place? I thought the sales page contained better information than the blog post. That aside, I feel this needs to be brought up in every Dropbox thread: Get rid of Condoleezza Rice and I'll happily use your product.

One possible explanation: Dropbox is a YC company, HN is a YC website, and the previous discussion seemed to take a turn for the negative

As it should. We are a community voicing our opinions about a company. If we find they are doing wrong, shouldn't we say something about it?

Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

#35

All that matters: Does Dropbox encrypt my data on the client side, before storing it on the server? Or does Dropbox have the power to pilfer through my data, along with official snoopers and hackers?

No, Dropbox does NOT encrypt your data on the client site.

Alternatives would be Spideroak and Wuala or addon software like Boxcryptor. They work but not as flawlessly and user-friendly as Dropbox usually does …

Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

#36
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you bought it personally (i.e. a B2C sale) you should be fine, but as a warning for any (update: UK based, at least) VAT-registered traders or businesses, you will need to reverse charge the VAT which mostly defeats the point.

You don't need to reverse charge the VAT as a EU business because there's no VAT stated on the invoice at all (b/c it's a US company). [edited] this is bullocks, IANAA(ccountant) applies here deservedly.

Maybe VAT law is different in your country but that is not true in the UK where reverse charging of VAT is required on services where the supplier is "outside the UK" (including outside the EU). Indeed, HMRC's guidance on this includes an example of a US-based Web hosting company providing hosting to a UK business: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/vatpossmanual/vatposs14300.ht...

HMRC do note that "the UK applies the reverse charge provisions more widely than elsewhere in the EU", however, and for this I get the joy of having to reverse charge about 50 invoices a quarter for US services (all our hosting, SaaS bills, etc) ;-) For example, if a host in the US bills us $100, we then have to reverse charge $20 converted into GBP at approved rates, then claim the equivalent back.. so the net position is zero but it has to be accounted for (holds head in hands and rocks back and forth).

Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

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post #23

All that matters: Does Dropbox encrypt my data on the client side, before storing it on the server? Or does Dropbox have the power to pilfer through my data, along with official snoopers and hackers?

They would say that. Like SpirderOak are saying it: https://spideroak.com/zero-knowledge/ or Crashplan: http://www.code42.com/crashplan/features/security/

Dropbox does not claim to encrypt your data on the client side. They only claim encryption on their servers but that is not helpful in terms of encryption of your data …

In CrashPlan, you can at least set your own private key if you like. You still need to trust the provider/vendor, however, the software is at least built to do local encryption. Dropbox does not work that way.

Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

#38

All that matters: Does Dropbox encrypt my data on the client side, before storing it on the server? Or does Dropbox have the power to pilfer through my data, along with official snoopers and hackers?

Even if they did encrypt the data client side, it would be pretty easy for them to also take a copy of the encryption key.

If you want to have security against the cloud storage provider, it is better to use some other encryption solution.

Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

#39
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you bought it personally (i.e. a B2C sale) you should be fine, but as a warning for any (update: UK based, at least) VAT-registered traders or businesses, you will need to reverse charge the VAT which mostly defeats the point.

You don't need to reverse charge the VAT as a EU business because there's no VAT stated on the invoice at all (b/c it's a US company). [edited] this is bullocks, IANAA(ccountant) applies here deservedly.

^ to peter [edited] Aha, just checked with my accountant and that is indeed the case, it is a net zero operation. Still doesn't matter for the $ / € story though.

Re: Introducing a more powerful Dropbox Pro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do care about dropbox, it's the only cloud system that works well on linux systems . It used to be overpriced but now the pricing is good. Also Google Drive is terrible on Windows if like me you have a lot of files. One drive is limited to 2GB of file size. I have yet to find a great alternative to it.

Owncloud is great, and avoids the moral complexities of contributing to a board that includes at least one endorser of torture and warrantless surveillance.

… if you have the knowledge, money and time to manage your Owncloud server in a secure way. Since such configuration includes a more advanced firewall, most users will not have the necessary skills I am afraid …

Focused on Owncloud only, the latest version is indeed great! :)

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