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How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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Re: How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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post #74

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Could it be the same one: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/nature-and-technology/iraqi-... ?

Yep, same guy

Planet Money did a story on Norway and the oil curse: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/09/06/140110346/how-to-a...

Re: How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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post #45

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"However, you should take into consideration that living expenses in Norway are higher than in many other countries." I don't have a job right now, no savings, 29 years old, and paperwork bore me. There are dozens of those "programs", and I don't want to spend one entire week sorting it out to discover I can't afford to just live over there. I want to go there no question asked, to work, not to study.

As you can imagine, "we want to let anyone from anywhere who can't be bothered to do a bit of paperwork come here and work, no questions asked" is not a policy that resonates with voters.

should I care about voters ? I don't want to go there for a vacation, if there are job offers which are not filled, maybe they might want to get people from other countries.

Re: How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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post #22

Probably one of the best examples of how natural resource wealth has been preserved and invested for the whole nation, instead of being lost to the pockets of few through privatisation, corruption or mismanagement of funds. I think the magic ingredients (aside from being lucky with natural resources in the first place) are egalitarian society, high level of trust, very low level of corruption, a functioning democrati…

Another Norwegian here. I think you are right. The high level of education also helps. But it was actually an Iraqian immigrant named Farouk al-Kasim that proposed the laws to protect Norways natural oil and gas resources. Further reading: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/99680a04-92a0-11de-b63b-00144feabd...

Further listening: NPR Planet Money Podcast: "Norway Has Advice For Libya"

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/08/26/139972557/the-frid...

Re: How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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post #93

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Yet. I take the view that the human race should only be harvesting things it really needs. The case for whaling (that I'm aware of) seems pretty weak. And if Norway did sign up to protect marine wildlife in exchange for oil rights (I'm taking that at face value at the moment) then it does seem like a jerk move to take the oil and not protect the whales.

"Protect marine wildlife" is not the same thing as "ban harvesting of a species that is not endangered."

This is where we part company. My belief is that they are. It is my view that the end result of "protecting wildlife" should be that the wildlife flourishes.

Re: How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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post #40

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There is no law which bans it. Just an agreement among several countries which Norway isn't a part of as far as I know.

Fair enough. Although I personally would prefer it if whales were left alone.

why? they aren't endangered, people like to eat them. why is a whale different from say a deer?

Re: How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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post #16

I am jealous of Norway. Social relations in most other countries, even the "first world" ones, seem uncivilized by comparison. I always wonder how they arrived at this point - this looks like they have some magic ingredient that made their Prisoner's Dilemma converge on 'cooperate'. It must be the fjords.

Simple. I grew up in the US, but am in Norway now. I have Norwegian ancestry that comes from my grandparents. Doesn't matter whether here or there. Mix Lutheran-piety (even if Norway is quite secular) and a bit of boredom does help in the cooperation department. I am not applying this to everyone, but that is how it is. None of this is a culture shock for me. Probably someone else has something deeper to say about it…

I have Norwegian ancestry as well. I would love to visit, but I don't think I could live there. Also, The language looks absolutely terrifying.

Re: How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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post #68

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This must really be upsetting for the extreme liberals of the country. "Public resources being invested sensibly! Horrifying! You can tell that this is an awful idea by looking at how miserable the people of Norway are, and how badly their businesses are doing. You should liberate yourselves by giving all of it to private interests. That's the definition of freedom!" /end sarcasm

I think you were downvoted because in the U.S. the term 'liberal' has a different meaning than in different parts of the world.

Oops. YMMV.

Re: How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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post #132

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As you can imagine, "we want to let anyone from anywhere who can't be bothered to do a bit of paperwork come here and work, no questions asked" is not a policy that resonates with voters.

should I care about voters ? I don't want to go there for a vacation, if there are job offers which are not filled, maybe they might want to get people from other countries.

Yes, because voters determine immigration policy by endorsing those politicians with whom they agree.

Re: How Norway has avoided the 'curse of oil'

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post #128

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Wait, you're French? As in, you're an EU citizen??? Go there. Find a hackerspace. Meet people. Show off your skills. You should be OK. If not, you can go back to France. I would have killed to have your ability to just go anywhere in the EU a few years ago; even now I'm ecstatic just being able to work in Ireland. Sometimes life involves tasks that are very slightly unpleasant, like paperwork. You might find that lea…

> go there I don't have money to throw away at a round trip to Norway, not to mention a place to stay for 1 week or two. What do you mean "show off your skills" ? I'm not an entertainer... I have no skills in PR and selling myself. > hackerspace Is a hackerspace going to get me a job ? > Sometimes life involves tasks that are very slightly unpleasant, like paperwork. The task of getting a job in norway is going to be…

Well, your current approach is "give up". I suggest a different tack. It would be easy to say you're just trolling but I suspect you're possibly just depressed. Going to a hackerspace and meeting people in the industry and showing you have a genuine interest in the field quite often WILL get you a job, actually, or even better it will give you something to work on and make your own business, if you care about it. I wish I had your citizenship; I'd love to start my own business (brewery, probably) but my current visa forbids it.

Nobody is going to promise you a job in Norway. You have to go make it effing happen. I don't mean to be vulgar, but to express that if you want it badly, if it damn near hurts not to have it, you'll make it happen. At this point you don't seem to know what you want. Even if you have no job experience, you could at least have project experience. Show off what you've done with Arduino, or open source, or painting, or skateboarding, or radio, or whatever. (This is a tech focused forum but hey, skills and drive come in many shapes)

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