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Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

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Re: Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

#71

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No they don't: * Can't get shipping charges before the last step (after selecting the credit card which implies I am about to pay) * Sneaking in Prime * Fucked up search

Nobody can give you shipping charges without knowing your address. The credit card step exists because most of the time the billing address and shipping address are the same.

I've been their customer for ages, surely they could've worked it out.

Re: Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

#72

A good example of beneficial government regulation, for people who refuse to believe such a thing exists. (Another good example is the Internet itself, but it's best to start small)

I disagree. This shouldn't need specific regulations, they should be treated as plain fraud by small claim courts. This just underlines the brokenness of the system.

What should happen instead?

Re: Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

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post #67

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> "you should have printed the PDF at home" Just remember that with Ryanair, simple is not an option unless you pay and pay and pay and pay. Example: Printing boarding passes a few days ahead: not possible. Oh, unless you pay for reserved seats. Otherwise feel free to wait until a few days ahead of departure, remember to check in, or you'll be hit with another charge at checkin. Source: Traveled w/Ryanair this summer…

You can print your passes between 15 days and around 2 hours before the flight. I don't get your point. I've flown with Ryanair plenty of times and, if you are able to ignore the constant bugging with booze/parfums/car rentals onboard and can stand the small seats, they are the probably the best thing that there is.

it's 7 days, not 15. the point is that if you're on a trip longer than 7 days you have to print them while on your trip, which might not be easy.

Re: Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

#74

A good example of beneficial government regulation, for people who refuse to believe such a thing exists. (Another good example is the Internet itself, but it's best to start small)

I disagree. This shouldn't need specific regulations, they should be treated as plain fraud by small claim courts. This just underlines the brokenness of the system.

Unless case law is created in the small claims court, having specific regulations for things which normally end up there is very beneficial for consumers. It gives you a tool to fight the disease - the company committing fraud - rather than treating symptoms by settling in small claims court with anyone who cared enough to bring it there.

Re: Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

#75
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A good example of beneficial government regulation, for people who refuse to believe such a thing exists. (Another good example is the Internet itself, but it's best to start small)

Yes, a good piece of regulation, but who believes in no regulation? To me, no regulation means no law, which means anarchy. And the only people who want anarchy are the same types of people who would be dead the first day it broke out. But much of the regulation in the US is regulatory capture. We need regulation for the people, not for the companies. Moving in the right direction is a challenge and we need to break…

>And the only people who want anarchy are the same types of people who would be dead the first day it broke out.

This is an amusing statement. What kind of people are you referring to here? Keyboard-warrior lolbertarians, randroids etc? Surely not the black bloc types and their various dog-on-a-string, squat-dwelling, convoy-travelling chums? I would have thought they'd be better equipped than most for a mad max style dystopia...

Re: Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

#77
post #47

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Isn't this basically what Amazon does? I've always felt very comfortable and safe when pushing the buy button on their site.

No they don't: * Can't get shipping charges before the last step (after selecting the credit card which implies I am about to pay) * Sneaking in Prime * Fucked up search

I agree with the f*ed up search comment, assuming you mean they sort by how it affects their bottom line.

But if that's the worst of their 'dark patterns', then the experience of shopping on their website is one of the better ones.

Re: Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

#78
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Hey AirBnB. I hope you're listening. Sneaking in service charges and "cleaning fees" is no bueno. I know it's not you doing the later but I hate it when I find an apartment at an appropriate price then good hoodwinked for additional services I don't particularly care for.

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Re: Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

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post #14

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Huh? There are loads. I can think of several companies that I buy things from because I know I won't get messed with even if the headline price might appear a little higher than their competitors (think EasyJet v.s. RyanAir).

Ryanair don't do that. The price they advertise at the flight choice time is the price you pay. THey then try shove extras down your throat, but you're not obligated to buy travel insurance, rent a car, use their jet ski etc .

The £2 fare, £45 processing fee example was a RyanAir tactic (although the internet seems to remember it as £1/£65, based on a quick google search).

Re: Some Dark Patterns Now Illegal in UK

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post #14

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Huh? There are loads. I can think of several companies that I buy things from because I know I won't get messed with even if the headline price might appear a little higher than their competitors (think EasyJet v.s. RyanAir).

From my relatively small experience I remember EasyJet trying to upsell random crap in a similar way to RyanAir. I might be misremembering though, I haven't flew with any of them since last year. Anyway, I meant why there are no companies with marketing messages that would amount to "we're not going to fuck you over like the Other Company We Can't Name".

> I meant why there are no companies with marketing messages that would amount to "we're not going to fuck you over like the Other Company We Can't Name".

Probably because they can't name them in the ads, which would make the message rather confusing :-)

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