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Pulling the Curtain on Airport Security [pdf]

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I ended up finding a way to get cigarette lighters through with a 100% success rate just by brute forcing it. If you travel a lot and you're a smoker you'd know that the worst part is getting off the flight, crawling through the airport at exit and then not having a lighter because they took it off you at departure[1]. No penalty for being caught with a lighter, so I kept leaving lighters in my bag in different place…

In Europe they let you keep your lighter, at least inside the Schengen Area.

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I wonder how the THC thing could possibly work. I opt out at every checkpoint, and each time, they maximize body contact and then generate an input to those machines. Wouldn't it go off for anyone who had smoked up earlier in the day, or the preceding day? It seems like they'd be spending all their time doing drug searches. (Don't get me wrong: drug searches at TSA checkpoints are extremely alarming, because TSA has…

Also, if you spend lots of time outdoors around fertilizer you can set it off.

Yes, this happened to me after a couple of hours on the golf course.

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Typical. Government organizations think IT security means having strongly worded statements and reams of bureaucratic rules and procedures. If you look closely though the strong words often aren't backed by any meaningful action. In a government official's mind if the 50 page IT security document was filled out and is on file that means the system is secure. It's all a big joke really.

I don't think most of them would be that stupid. Just lazy. In a government official's mind, if the 50 page IT security document was filled out then he can't be held responsible when the shit hits the fan.

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I ended up finding a way to get cigarette lighters through with a 100% success rate just by brute forcing it. If you travel a lot and you're a smoker you'd know that the worst part is getting off the flight, crawling through the airport at exit and then not having a lighter because they took it off you at departure[1]. No penalty for being caught with a lighter, so I kept leaving lighters in my bag in different place…

That seems very odd that they would take a lighter. Mind you I've been on very few domestic US flights, and on a few flights in/out of the US, but I never had problems with lighters. I just drop it on the plate they send through the X-ray and pick it up afterwards, no issues.

This was within the last 4 years though, maybe procedures have changed?

Here in EU I've never had any problems either.

The only thing that I know they frown upon is Zippo lighters, unless it's brand new and still sealed. Something about the petrol being used in those lighters they don't like.

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I assume the theory is that there will be less people in the car park then in the terminal.

I imagine the front of the terminal is a place where groups of people can typically be found - drop offs, pick ups, waiting for baggage, etc. Also, blowing up the front of the terminal has the potential to shut down airport operations much longer than a remote car park.

It is also to do with glass windows. Terminals tend to have massive amounts of glass which a bomb will blow out massively increasing the casualties. Car parks are open at the sides and sparsely populated.

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It makes laugh a lot, 9/11 happen because they used cutter. Airport security will piss you off for a kid cissor. But they will let you buy a glass bottle of alcohol in duty free. That you can break properly and use as a weapon ... Logic ...

Relevant - This guy built a bunch of weapons from things you can buy in airport shops. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513362/Man-builds-h...

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Re: Pulling the Curtain on Airport Security [pdf]

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It makes laugh a lot, 9/11 happen because they used cutter. Airport security will piss you off for a kid cissor. But they will let you buy a glass bottle of alcohol in duty free. That you can break properly and use as a weapon ... Logic ...

Relevant - This guy built a bunch of weapons from things you can buy in airport shops. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513362/Man-builds-h...

Direct link to the guy's project site: http://terminalcornucopia.com/

I really recommend watching the movies. It reminds us both that airport security is nonsense, and that the people can weaponize pretty much anything if they care to do so.

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If this isn't the answer, and I'm not asserting it is or isn't. What is, and how do implement it. Or do you suggest if we scrap it all and go back to 1950's like airport security that the few incidents that are inevitable are an acceptable risk? I don't know the answer, but I'd like to have the conversation.

In Iceland (as of 2006) my recall was no security screening point for the airports besides Keflavik (the airfield for large international flights). Totally liberating and strange to walk right to the gate, then out the door and across the tarmac onto a small airplane. Am curious if this is still so. I took it as a sign of mutual trust in a small nation. I should also say that I remember even in the 1970s being able t…

I didn't think it was that different from European airports. Pretty much the same level of security in 2013 (Keflavik) and 2007 (Akureyri). Actually slightly more, since in Akureyri they got everyone into one room, closed it, and walked around with dogs sniffing for drugs (I guess).

They were much nicer about it though than pretty much everyone at the airports in the US.

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I wish there was a transcript to go with these slides, or some context. It looks like an amazing talk. One thing that jumped out at me right away is that the explosives sniffer is also configured to detect narcotics, amphetamine and marijuana. Is this standard procedure at American domestic airports?

TSA has more than a bit of scope creep going on. In theory, all they're supposed to do is a basic administrative search to prevent weapons or explosives from being brought onto a plane. In practice, the perception in the public mind that they are a more general law-enforcement body allows them to easily perform other tasks on behalf of agencies that don't have the same general search powers. The classic example is se…

The TSA does not search in-bound people, and CBP does not search out-bound people, so this doesn't really make sense.
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