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English accents and their implications for spelling reform

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Re: English accents and their implications for spelling reform

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Interesting article. There was an something on the BBC News website a while back with two sides of a similar argument, only one side was written in a style that was supposed to be easier to read; it certainly wasn't for me as it was written with a more southern (southern English that is) accent and I had to re-read certain words several times to work out what they were supposed to be. I know this part was only covere…

The letter thorn (þ), when hand-written, looks a lot like the letter Y [1]. So it remains, somewhat, in stuff like "Ye Olde Shoppe." Wikipedia claims that eth and thorn died out in common use (in English, anyway) between 1300 and 1500. Notes: 1 - It gets drawn in one motion, down to the center from the upper left, then looping up to the upper right, back down to the center and down from there. So it looks like a slop…

Wow, that's really interesting, I never realised that's where "Ye" came from.

I suppose a similar thing happened with yogh (ȝ) - instead of being replaced with something less ambiguous it became z in some cases, but is still pronounced the original way. I think it only survives in some Scottish names in that form though.

Re: English accents and their implications for spelling reform

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Chinese has an almost comically severe version of this problem. Not only do a number of mutually unintelligible languages share the writing system, but converting everything to pinyin would also make the bulk of Chinese literature incomprehensible.

Amazingly, only just more than half of inhabitants of China are conversant in the standard national language, according to a recent official survey. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-03/07/content_5812838...

Yeah, a lot of Mandarin TV shows are subtitled for that reason (which has the side effect of showing you how terrifyingly quickly literate people can read characters).

Re: English accents and their implications for spelling reform

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Spelling reform is never going to happen, so this is not something to worry about.

It might evolve and change over time, but a directed reform will not happen.

There is just too much inertia in the form of written material, and people who learned a certain spelling to ever change it.

And there is no one with enough authority to force it.

Re: English accents and their implications for spelling reform

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Wells has good credentials as a linguist on this subject. But perhaps if he wrote from America, the land of English as a koine language, he would be more optimistic about a mediating spelling that reflects plurality (and perhaps majority) practice in pronouncing English as a worldwide language. I don't see any world example that shows that a spelling must be "ideal" in the way he defines it to be practical for a broa…

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