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Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 9:52 PM UTC

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #58

mrtron wrote: post #57

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No cause for concern - I understand that a lot of what we are disagreeing on here are small points. This is the proper venue for discussion, and I appreciate your points. I do agree that having some sort of code generation does have a place, and can be useful. But it is also has it's problems, especially related to maintainability. Lastly, the last time I looked at some code generation, there was so much custom junk…

I've had a lot of bad experiece with Code Generation as well. What I think I see happening over the past few years is a lot of authors and researchers developing code generation templates as part of their work. So instead of the guy who's got the book telling you to make 7-tier, multi-phasic, distributed apps, you got the guy, a website, a following, and a set of templates and wizards that make this thing for you. I'…

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Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by DanielBMarkham » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 9:52 PM UTC

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #58

mrtron wrote: post #57

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No cause for concern - I understand that a lot of what we are disagreeing on here are small points. This is the proper venue for discussion, and I appreciate your points. I do agree that having some sort of code generation does have a place, and can be useful. But it is also has it's problems, especially related to maintainability. Lastly, the last time I looked at some code generation, there was so much custom junk…

I've had a lot of bad experiece with Code Generation as well. What I think I see happening over the past few years is a lot of authors and researchers developing code generation templates as part of their work. So instead of the guy who's got the book telling you to make 7-tier, multi-phasic, distributed apps, you got the guy, a website, a following, and a set of templates and wizards that make this thing for you. I'…

Please. Keep down-modding me on this thread. Show me how you really feel! (laughing) By voting me down you can show your disagreement without actually having to participate in the discussion.

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by pc » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:13 PM UTC

axod wrote: post #65

Goladus wrote: post #64

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System.Console.WriteLine("Hi, I'm a .NET library function for the CLR being called in C#"); System.out.println("Hi, I'm a Java library function for Java being called in Java"); Java The Language and C# are extremely similar, and if the differences bother you that much you can use J#. Java and .NET both provide managed runtime environments. Java and .NET both provide a large library of functions for that environment.…

Java and C#/C++ are very similar languages as far as I know. ASP.NET seems very similar to PHP. .NET just sounds a horrible mess. VB.NET? why would anyone touch anything that has a language 'visual' 'beginners'. Don't those two words hint at anything? Comparing Java (the language) to .NET (the system that lots of m$ languages run on) doesn't make much sense though IMHO.

"C#/C++" is about as valid as "Java/JavaScript".

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by DanielBMarkham » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:22 PM UTC

pc wrote: post #73

axod wrote: post #65

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Java and C#/C++ are very similar languages as far as I know. ASP.NET seems very similar to PHP. .NET just sounds a horrible mess. VB.NET? why would anyone touch anything that has a language 'visual' 'beginners'. Don't those two words hint at anything? Comparing Java (the language) to .NET (the system that lots of m$ languages run on) doesn't make much sense though IMHO.

"C#/C++" is about as valid as "Java/JavaScript".

Nice slogan, but fails when put to the test. C#/C++ = both OOP languages, semi-color delimited, mostly early binding, strong typing, etc. Java and JavaScript are not anywhere near as close. OOP vs prototypes, loose typing vs. strong typing, closure-functional style vs imperative style, etc.

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by dcurtis » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:28 PM UTC

boucher wrote: post #46

Although I'm sure the answer is no, I'd be interested in knowing if anyone here had ever even considered using WebObjects for development.

I think the entire Apple.com store is developed in WebObjects. I have never heard of any other site using it, though.

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by michaelneale » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:38 PM UTC

jsjenkins168 wrote: post #20

If you are not against Java you might want to check out JSF. Code your pages using Facelets though, its better than using JSP. JSF is nice because (unlike ASP.net) it cleanly separates behavior and presentation (its purely MVC). And its a component based architecture which is rendering format agnostic (HTML, WML, XHTML-MP, cHTML). So you can code one page which can render the contents in a different format depending…

Scala !

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by michaelneale » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:42 PM UTC

hello_moto wrote: post #47

falsestprophet wrote: post #32

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d. street cred

Lol. I agree 100% with this one, you'll get instant visitors from the RoR world + Web designers.

So thats 50 skint startup insiders ?

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by nkohari » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:45 PM UTC

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #74

pc wrote: post #73

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"C#/C++" is about as valid as "Java/JavaScript".

Nice slogan, but fails when put to the test. C#/C++ = both OOP languages, semi-color delimited, mostly early binding, strong typing, etc. Java and JavaScript are not anywhere near as close. OOP vs prototypes, loose typing vs. strong typing, closure-functional style vs imperative style, etc.

No offense, but you clearly have not used both languages. When you consider the platform in addition to the syntax, C# is absolutely nothing like C++. C# is managed, garbage collected, bytecode-based and JITted. Saying C++ and C# are similar is like saying that technically a unicycle and an airplane are the same because they can both help you get somewhere.

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by nikolaj » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:46 PM UTC

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #48

mrtron wrote: post #40

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It shows a lack of nothing. What DAL is a code generator that writes large quantities of code based on your 'models'? It simply provides a better or easier interface. Here is what I meant: When a commercial application becomes popular to generate large amounts of code to do a small amount of work, like some CRUD, I personally feel that shows a flaw in the fundamental way the language works. The language should either…

I'm hoping I'm not getting into a flame war -- not my intent. Here's the problem with what you said -- the word "code". It's not defined. In any kind of large environment, my application uses all kinds of compiled code. So what if I push a button or flick a switch to use another hunk of code that I don't have to write or test? Is using System.Io somehow "better" than say, having an automated macro that generates IO b…

this entire post was destined to be a flame war...

Re: Ask YC: Are there any startups using ASP.NET?

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Post by nkohari » Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:48 PM UTC

DarrenStuart wrote: post #18

tx wrote: post #8

There are plenty of startups using ASP.NET or Java-based tech. In fact most companies started by "business types" are .NET/Java because they are easier to find disposable coders for. You don't see as many .NET shops here because most posters are (a) young, (b) non-business types, and they had a chance to pick a technology. Most went with something dynamic and Linux-based. We did too. We're on RoR, despite having tons…

I never got the speed of development argument. I can put together the ror blog example quicker with .net. I have found people trying to develop .net apps like Java ones and this adds needless overhead.

Rapid design is not necessarily sustainable design. The "speed of development" argument for RoR is about maintenance and flexibility rather than getting it done fast. (By day I'm a C# developer, by night a Ruby one. ;)