The World’s Most Mind-Bending Language Has the Best Development Environment
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#2Comments say "J is just APL done in ASCII".
Which is odd really, since many other new languages e.g. java, and c#. have source in Unicode. Yes, your class or method names can contain/be funky Unicode characters.
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#3It's worth the read, if only for the reminder that languages are programming tools. It's not enough just to have the right functions, a clear syntax. I love me some snap-on wrenches --- they are the best in the world --- but I need other tools, too! I'd never touch lisp if I didn't have SLIME, or python without the standard library.
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#4Comments say "J is just APL done in ASCII". Which is odd really, since many other new languages e.g. java, and c#. have source in Unicode. Yes, your class or method names can contain/be funky Unicode characters.
hi,
the comment is not meant in /that/ way; rather APL used special symbols for representing functions/operations, i.e., it had its own non-ASCII character set (google for details)
AFAIR, there was also a java programming puzzler with unicode in comments: since the unicode support is (was? probably there have been some changes since 1.4 footnote:1) beautifully added on top of the parser you can get seemingly strange errors from the parser/compiler. (please google for details, too)
1: please correct me if that is not true anymore, has been quite a while since i read the puzzlers...
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#5Well, I was interested enough to download and run the OSX version. Fails with some library issue, even tried off the disk image which the help says can be done.
I'm sure it's great but not exactly a good first impression for this mac user!
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#6ah i thought this article was going to be about brainfuck (esoteric as esoteric gets..).
hello world:
++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++..+++.------.--------.>+.>.
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#7Somebody hasn't tried Brainfuck or Malbolge.
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#8I tried J a few weeks ago and was really delighted. Since then, I have spent a few hours learning the many verbs (the way they call built in functions). It is really a great experience.
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#9Comments say "J is just APL done in ASCII". Which is odd really, since many other new languages e.g. java, and c#. have source in Unicode. Yes, your class or method names can contain/be funky Unicode characters.
The story says that to use the original APL you needed a special keyboard, because it used mathematical symbols that are not in ASCII.
J doesn't use any non-ASCII characters, however it uses ALL punctuation characters you can think of :-))
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#10ah i thought this article was going to be about brainfuck (esoteric as esoteric gets..). hello world: ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+ ++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++. .+++.------.--------.>+.>.
scheme@(guile-user)> ,L brainfuck
Guile Brainfuck interpreter 1.0 on Guile 1.9.2
Copyright (C) 2001-2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
Enter `,help' for help.
brainfuck@(guile-user)> ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++..+++.------.--------.>+.>.]
Hello World!
brainfuck@(guile-user)>