"The Tyranny of Print" has a nice ring to it, but mediums that give the creator more control over appearance+behavior are going to lend themselves to crafting more compelling experiences. Sure, not disappearing in 10 years (or whenever the original server goes poof) would also be nice, but it's of little benefit if no one ever sees the thing in the first place. And disappearing is the default, natural state of things…
There’s a simple alternative to the current web
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#12The main idea is to use a browser extension to automatically save pages that you read to the cloud (including the images, stylesheets etc) in the background. Saved pages are searchable and sharable.
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#13I've been thinking about this for a while now. Please check out my web app to solve this problem: https://www.purplerails.com/ The main idea is to use a browser extension to automatically save pages that you read to the cloud (including the images, stylesheets etc) in the background. Saved pages are searchable and sharable.
Re: There’s a simple alternative to the current web
#14I've been thinking about this for a while now. Please check out my web app to solve this problem: https://www.purplerails.com/ The main idea is to use a browser extension to automatically save pages that you read to the cloud (including the images, stylesheets etc) in the background. Saved pages are searchable and sharable.
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#16Clearly I'm a biased observer, but I really think people should take steps to archive stuff that is important to them. Of course it's terrible when large sites go offline and take vast swaths of the Internet with them, and we should continue to shame the ones that do it. At the same time, if something is really important to you, you shouldn't store it in the form of links to random third-party servers. One problem we…
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#17Y U no archive.org?
Archive.org doesn't have everything and their archives can be cleared of specific content on request of the copyright holder. There is a big copyright issue here as in the UK we don't have the relatively liberal Fair Use exceptions that are in the USC - we only just got permission to format shift and make personal-use backups (so MP3 players [using tracks ripped from CD] are legal as of June this year!). Copying down…
Not only that. If a domain expires and is picked up by a squatter, the squatter can instruct Archive.org to delete ALL copies of content archived from that domain. Unfortunately many do so.
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#18"The Tyranny of Print" has a nice ring to it, but mediums that give the creator more control over appearance+behavior are going to lend themselves to crafting more compelling experiences. Sure, not disappearing in 10 years (or whenever the original server goes poof) would also be nice, but it's of little benefit if no one ever sees the thing in the first place. And disappearing is the default, natural state of things…
Books, clay tablets, scrolls, engraved stone, to which humans owe their entire knowledge of their premodern history, seem to have put up pretty well against entropy. The same is not the case for information disseminated in a controlled manner from privately owned servers.
> If I see some people playing music on a corner and return the next night to see they've left, I may be wistful, but it would be silly to argue "playing live music is broken and we should fix it".
> If you think of web sites as performances put on for a limited time by the server, it doesn't seem so terrible that they disappear after a while.
Thankfully, the generations who produced and preserved knowledge on paper, clay and stone before the onset of digital technology - that is, every generation of humans that has ever lived, except ours - did not think of books and libraries as throwaway pamphlets. And it would take more than an arbitrary interchange of modes of cultural production to argue that we should be doing otherwise in the technological circumstance we find ourselves in.
The "tyrants of the server" are not thinking of server-centric aggregation and dissemination of as a performance put on for a limited time: they are betting on it as the future of all human literary activity. Google doesn't want to read you a paragraph, take your money and say goodbye; it wants to swallow all the world's books and information, chop it to tiny pieces, store and own it forever, and extract the maximum profit from each tiny piece, without having you pay a penny. And it wants you to come back for more. The persistence of the server-centric model of content dissemination is not an accident; it is dictated by the political economy of the web brought about by the Googles of the world.
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#20This wouldn't work for any web page that has dynamic content stored in a database. If the database no longer exists a decade from now this doesn't solve that problem. Also, wouldn't this break analytics and reporting for most websites too? It'll be much tougher to track user behavior to improve user experience. And debugging using log data? I get what the author is suggesting but "fixing the web" this way would break…
True but that's a "YP" not a "MP". (Bogie Nights, "Your problem" not "My Problem".
I mean we're not talking about a public health issue after all.