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Re: NY Times releases military surplus gear data on GitHub

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I was surprised to see a number of mine-resistant vehicles associated with very rural counties in Washington State. Not being completely sure whether a mine-resistant vehicle was a tank or not, I googled the term and came across this article: http://news.yahoo.com/as-wars-wind-down--small-town-cops-inh... Choice quote from the article: “Here’s the thing,” Shellmyer says. “Washington, Iowa, has 8,000 people. We have a…

Operational costs will prevent most of the MRAPs from seeing any use. 6MPG is horrible, and fuel costs are a big budgetary item for most public safety departments.

Re: NY Times releases military surplus gear data on GitHub

#83

Sorted from most greedy to least, wow, look at Florida: State Amount FL $252,801,365.49 AL $117,321,970.75 TX $93,960,116.66 CA $92,199,594.55 TN $88,036,810.05 GA $74,258,127.54 IL $63,856,929.46 SC $49,446,894.25 MI $43,557,552.29 IN $43,153,872.84 OH $41,066,993.83 KY $38,672,666.63 PR $37,712,132.94 AZ $37,173,754.35 OK $26,113,459.50 NM $25,077,905.94 NY $24,920,353.44 VA $24,257,646.82 NJ $24,075,459.47 WA $23,…

That's a meaningless comparison unless you account for population differences. Per capita would be useful to show.

Re: NY Times releases military surplus gear data on GitHub

#84

I see 205 of "Launcher, Grenade" followed by only 1 of "Laundry, Cleaner"

As a European which don't follow the subject of US police, my TV habits are not crime dramas, I just have to ask: WTF are police going to do with grenade launchers?! (Do they have 155 mm artillery too? :-) ) Are those for tear gas? I just don't believe even US gangs are doing Taliban style insurrections or Intifadas? (Being Swedish with our really open borders for refugees from the Middle East, I should just wait a f…

>Are those for tear gas?

Almost definitely. There are a variety of less than lethal projectiles that can be fired from a 40mm grenade launcher. Everything from tear gas canisters to rubber projectiles.

Even the most overzealous SWAT team wouldn't use a grenade launcher with real fragmentation grenades in a populated area. Fragmentation grenades kill by producing shrapnel, which is just too indiscriminate for police use.

That being said, I do remember a story about a SWAT team attempting to drop a homemade bomb out of a helicopter, so you can't be 100% sure.

Edit: Found a link to the police helicopter bombing story. The improvised bomb caused a fire that spread to 50 or 60 other houses. http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/14/us/police-drop-bomb-on-rad...

Re: NY Times releases military surplus gear data on GitHub

#85
post #16

Quick question, is the apache license really the most relevant for a dataset? Does that license apply? I ask only because I'm planning on doing something similar.

If the dataset comes from the Gov't (e.g., Freedom of Info Act), one might argue that its public domain data. If its public domain, then slapping a license on it doesn't change anything. If its not public domain, and you want people to use it fairly freely, Apache seems like a good license. Disclaimer: i haven't thought about this very carefully before posting. Could be wrong. One thing I do know is that @copiesofcop…

Yeah, I would tend to agree with this. These data are derived from work originally done by the U.S. federal government. If they had chosen to make it freely available without a FOIA, public domain would have applied. I don't think having it being a result of a FOIA changes anything.

Re: NY Times releases military surplus gear data on GitHub

#86
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but I'm not actually sure datasets like these CAN be copyrighted. Copyright rewards "original creative expression", (Feist v. Rural Telephone Service) not just effort, and I know things like phone books and other databases aren't protected by copyright. Generally, compilation protection is limited to things like charts and graphs, were the author has actually shown creative input into how the data is presented…

The leading case on this is Feist, a telephone book case. http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/499_US_340.htm As an interesting note, the phone company had been introducing fake listings: "Four of these were fictitious listings that Rural had inserted into its directory to detect copying." For copyright, originality is a constitutional requirement and copyright cannot attach to a bare compilation of known facts…

I wonder where the de minimis line gets drawn. I suppose it's like pornography, "I know it when I see it" kind of thing.

Re: NY Times releases military surplus gear data on GitHub

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Sorted from most greedy to least, wow, look at Florida: State Amount FL $252,801,365.49 AL $117,321,970.75 TX $93,960,116.66 CA $92,199,594.55 TN $88,036,810.05 GA $74,258,127.54 IL $63,856,929.46 SC $49,446,894.25 MI $43,557,552.29 IN $43,153,872.84 OH $41,066,993.83 KY $38,672,666.63 PR $37,712,132.94 AZ $37,173,754.35 OK $26,113,459.50 NM $25,077,905.94 NY $24,920,353.44 VA $24,257,646.82 NJ $24,075,459.47 WA $23,…

That's a meaningless comparison unless you account for population differences. Per capita would be useful to show.

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Re: NY Times releases military surplus gear data on GitHub

#88

Sorted from most greedy to least, wow, look at Florida: State Amount FL $252,801,365.49 AL $117,321,970.75 TX $93,960,116.66 CA $92,199,594.55 TN $88,036,810.05 GA $74,258,127.54 IL $63,856,929.46 SC $49,446,894.25 MI $43,557,552.29 IN $43,153,872.84 OH $41,066,993.83 KY $38,672,666.63 PR $37,712,132.94 AZ $37,173,754.35 OK $26,113,459.50 NM $25,077,905.94 NY $24,920,353.44 VA $24,257,646.82 NJ $24,075,459.47 WA $23,…

That's a meaningless comparison unless you account for population differences. Per capita would be useful to show.

Do you really think per capita works in this situation? It's not like your average citizen can pick up a surplus grenade launcher. Breaking down geo-politically would be more useful.

But grabbing per capita values from bjterry and going by party...

Senator Avg per Capita

Democrat $4.14 External (VI, PR, ..) $33.19 Independent $9.07 Republican $7.21

Re: NY Times releases military surplus gear data on GitHub

#89
post #81

AL,CHEROKEE,4930-01-442-9106,"DRUM,HOSE REEL",1,Each,1630.97,2013-06-20 AL,CHEROKEE,5120-00-222-2220,"MALLET,RAWHIDE ",3,Each,50.31,20120518 CA,LOS ANGELES,3530-DS-SEW-ING0,"INDUSTRIAL SEWING MACH, MOBILE TEXTILE",2,Each,0,2014-02-19 Stop this madness.

Really? The dataset contains a record of tiny towns receiving MRAPs, but for some reason your biggest concern is LA getting a sewing machine? Why is this a problem?

Re: NY Times releases military surplus gear data on GitHub

#90
post #34

Disappointed but I guess not surprised to see the small number of helicopters, armored vehicles and assault rifles provided to southern border states. Federal government appears happy to distribute heavy weapons anywhere except where they are needed most as evidenced by actual incidents.

The equipment is distributed in response to requests from police departments. (source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-polic...) I'm afraid you'll have to blame the locals, not the feds, for being soft on those sinister Mexicans.
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