Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

washingtonpost.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 92 posts

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

#71

Post by xrange »

mschuster91 wrote: post #65
freehunter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article does talk about African laborers and Bulgarian demolition crews. Not high-skilled work. Also "Angela Merkel... has spoken out against immigrants relocating here merely to tap generous domestic welfare benefits." You're right that masses of low-skill immigrants is a problem, especially when they are not integrating with society. It seems Germany has this problem too ("And many Germans still call the lack o…

> You're right that masses of low-skill immigrants is a problem, especially when they are not integrating with society. Turks aren't that much of a problem anymore. These days, the massive influx of refugees (unanticipated by our stupid politicians) are the biggest problem. We lock 'em in overcrowded camps, prohibit them from working for 9 months and then wonder why trouble arises. Fuck our politicians. The way the e…

>unanticipated by our stupid politicians

...how sure are you about the whole "unanticipated" thing?

http://nationalinterest.org/print/article/dead-souls-the-den...

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

#72

Post by mqsiuser »

An architect (known HERE IN GERMANY to be an over-run study-topic with too little jobs or low pay (until you made it)), a social worker, which is now a dish washer. Highly qualified foreign workers (which we highly need)...

even if the article portrayed a university guy... where are we (Germany, Europe, rest of the world) on a global ranking on universities?! (We are well behind Berkley, Stanford and Harvard!)

There were only 170 "expert workers" coming in the first year [1]. Also on that link a more in-side discussion (german residents) with much more critical tone (Google translate may help).

And I am not against that all the Russians, Rumanians and now also the people from the recent crisis come here because of hard economic problems in their country. But... you know... let's keep the church in the village.

People are having less and less offspring because live gets more difficult here (work opportunities only in big cities, living costs (esp. housing FOR A FAMILY), taxes, requirement to travel, etc.). And then arguing "we need people/imigrants"... it's just twisting everything... like a german politician said "I make me my world as I'd like it to be"). There is even the debate here, that "Germany gets rid of itself".

And then YC summer "batch" consisting of 68 groups, which received funding (some, then "B", "C", what 1 Mio, then 21 Mio)... wow... there is not much here (sorry, no it's not!)

Ignorance is bliss ("ja ja ja, the Americans are just more risk-friendly", end of personal horizont)

It's good to be called a "SF based company"

"Made in Germany", yeah... cars... and cars and cars (I wouldn't wonder if Google or Apple or a StartUp (Tesla?) would crush these next)

Europe, welcome to the old world!

But what will it look like in 10 or 20 years?

[1] http://m.welt.de/print/welt_kompakt/print_wirtschaft/article...

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

#73

Post by mc32 »

guyzero wrote: post #64
mappu wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all America, or just the USA?

Nobody from Canada or Mexico would say they are "an American." Americans are residents/citizens of the USA.

For the most part they say "North American," South American or "Latin American" even "Anglo Saxon America" for North America not including Mexico, go figure.

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

#74

Post by willthames »

danohuiginn wrote: post #46
learc83 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Over 50% of young people in Germany already say that Islam belongs to Germany. What does that mean?

the phrase in German is "Der Islam gehört zu Deutschland" -- which means something like Islam has a place in Germany.

The above translation should probably just be "belongs in" rather than "belongs to" then. Your clarification helped, thanks.

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

#75

Post by deciplex »

mappu wrote: post #61
josephschmoe wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American is 1.89.

For all America, or just the USA?

You will never reverse this oddity of English vocabulary, no matter how much you bellyache about it on the Internet. Sorry that basic lingual fact contradicts your sense of fairness or whatever.

If it helps, you can think of "American" as shorthand for "American of the United States". If that doesn't help, I suggest you just get over it.

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

#76

Post by trentmb »

kamakazizuru wrote: post #51
trentmb wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the dumb question, but how would I find these employers? I did study four years of German in highschool (so I can hold a conversation with a toddler. Maybe) and have a degree in mathematics from UIUC.

look on monster.de for english speaking jobs, or thelocal.de - there are also facebook groups for startups in berlin who are looking to hire. Your best bet is to be here and look for something though - the odds of getting hired sitting in the US are slim to none unless you are really highly qualified / have tonnes of experience. If you're looking to get hired in tech get in touch.

Hey! I appreciate the intel, but...

Sorry, I'm less than entry level. My studies were general math, though I did get 'supporting coursework' in CS (~half in CS theory, half 'applied:' Java, C++). I can't find any entry-level/junior positions that don't require 3-5 year experience in X.

I'm willing to spend my free-time (in addition to working early/late hours) learning whatever technology you work with, but no one feels like giving me a chance.

I have a resume link in my profile if you don't mind giving advice.

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

#77

Post by mschuster91 »

xrange wrote: post #71
mschuster91 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're right that masses of low-skill immigrants is a problem, especially when they are not integrating with society. Turks aren't that much of a problem anymore. These days, the massive influx of refugees (unanticipated by our stupid politicians) are the biggest problem. We lock 'em in overcrowded camps, prohibit them from working for 9 months and then wonder why trouble arises. Fuck our politicians. The way the e…

>unanticipated by our stupid politicians ...how sure are you about the whole "unanticipated" thing? http://nationalinterest.org/print/article/dead-souls-the-den...

That's US stuff, I don't deal much with US politics. Our (German) politicians chose to ignore the growing numbers and problems, instead opting to mistreat refugees in order to deter others from coming.

Brave New World.

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

#78

Post by coldtea »

enraged_camel wrote: post #32
_delirium wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Turkish "problem" is longstanding and kind on both sides as well. Many Turks are not that sure if they want to integrate into German society, and many Germans are not sure if they want them to either (though this sentiment is weaker than it once was). That produces a self-reinforcing situation. Many of the current Turkish residents came during the 1960s as part of a guest-worker program [1], or are descended from…

As a Turk, I don't see the "Turkish problem" as being Germany's fault at all. These people went to Germany on a temporary basis, and decided to just not leave when the guest-worker program ended. In other words, they overstayed their welcome. Imagine inviting a guest to your house for dinner, and them liking your house a lot and deciding to just move in permanently. Are you then expected to encourage them to put thei…

>As a Turk, I don't see the "Turkish problem" as being Germany's fault at all. These people went to Germany on a temporary basis, and decided to just not leave when the guest-worker program ended. In other words, they overstayed their welcome.*

Here's how it went down. First, Germany slaughtered and exterminated millions of people, invaded tons of countries, destroyed their infrastructure, commited heinous crimes, etc. What we know as World War II.

After the end of the war, West Germany, as a valueable ally of the West against USSR, got all kinds of help and special treatment to rebuilt its economy. And they started a program for bringing in workers from places they invaded and decimated, like Greece. Those workers, like the involuntary "arbeit mach frei" workers before, were brought to serve as cheap immigrant labor, under exploitative conditions, to assist the very people that had unprovoked invaded their countries and killed their relatives and fellow citizens a decade or so ago. The guest-workers, besides being exploited with lesser wages than Germans and fewer opportunities for advancment (like b-rate citizens) they were also treated with extreme racism and prejudice.

Now, the problem of the Germans (the "they overstayed their welcome") was that these people didn't just disperse when they were done with them, but instead felt that those hard working years in Germany gave them a right to stay and be integrated as full citizens.

Such nerve, huh?

Re: The new land of opportunity for immigrants is Germany

#79

Post by facepalm »

mqsiuser wrote: post #72

An architect (known HERE IN GERMANY to be an over-run study-topic with too little jobs or low pay (until you made it)), a social worker, which is now a dish washer. Highly qualified foreign workers (which we highly need)... even if the article portrayed a university guy... where are we (Germany, Europe, rest of the world) on a global ranking on universities?! (We are well behind Berkley, Stanford and Harvard!) There…

I think the universities are really good. I agree on the cars issue. Makes me really nervous that everything hinges on the car industry and they don't seem to get the future at all.
Post reply on HN