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Re: KDE Plasma 5

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post #4

The kernel doesn't have much to do with the desktop environment running on top of it, what would the kernel's future have to do with KDE Plasma 5?

As with all headlines on Ars Technica, and similar sites, it has to do with getting you to click the link.

Re: KDE Plasma 5

#12
post #4

The kernel doesn't have much to do with the desktop environment running on top of it, what would the kernel's future have to do with KDE Plasma 5?

I bet the author heard that "Linux is the kernel" and thinks the two terms are interchangeable.

Re: KDE Plasma 5

#13

Am I the only one who lost interest in Desktop Environments ? I'm either satisfied with bare minimum (XFCE/ThunarFM...) or barest minimal (wmii/xmonad...). KDE5 is surely a great piece of tech but I fail to see what's new except for a cleaner KDE4 in terms of UX; these days I feel dom/javascript bear more innovation (maybe too much).

Gnome, Unity, KDE. I couldn't care less. They all let me launch apps and switch between them quickly and easily. That's all I need from a desktop environment. I don't understand why people feel so passionate about them.

Re: KDE Plasma 5

#14
post #2

I think KDE is doing the right steps with KDE5 technology-wise. But I'm still very confused by the way KDE split up the project and started to do separate releases. Now we have Plasma5 and I think there is a 5 version of the frameworks but not of KWin etc. I mean sure it will help them get the projects released and tested. But I'd love to hear a "KDE 5 released" announcement and install it. Instead of "One part of KD…

Nah, it's not that hard. There's three parts:

* KDE Frameworks 5, which is a modularized, tiered set of libraries and runtime components that complement Qt with functionality useful to building apps and shells.

* KDE Plasma 5, a set of shells implemented using Frameworks 5. Plasma Desktop is the most prominent of those. KWin is part of Plasma, FWIW, so sure, it's at 5 now.

* KDE Applications. Not yet at 5, but will increasingly ship ports of individual applications to KF5 over the next releases.

Contrast this with KDE 4 development. KDE 4.0 (which contained all of these things in one) came years after the last major release of KDE 3, thus stopping the world cold for its entire development cycle, and e.g. preventing apps from doing feature releases. Separating these things and releasing them independently means that Plasma continued to make 4.x releases during ramp-up of Frameworks 5 development, KDE Applications kept doing feature releases while Plasma 5 is materializing, and so on. It's just a lesson learned from the last round. It's certainly more complex from a "SKU" perspective, but the net effect on users is not leaving them stranded for years. The effect on developers has actually been increased productivity: Plasma 5 development happening against already somewhat-stable Frameworks 5 instead of starting out at the same time, for example.

Re: KDE Plasma 5

#15
post #4

The kernel doesn't have much to do with the desktop environment running on top of it, what would the kernel's future have to do with KDE Plasma 5?

They probably meant to say "for those undecided on the desktop's future".

Re: KDE Plasma 5

#16
post #4

The kernel doesn't have much to do with the desktop environment running on top of it, what would the kernel's future have to do with KDE Plasma 5?

I suspect it has to do with gnome trying to get more and more functionality into the kernel/closer to the kernel. Things like systemd/logind for example are kernel level functionality.

Re: KDE Plasma 5

#17

Am I the only one who lost interest in Desktop Environments ? I'm either satisfied with bare minimum (XFCE/ThunarFM...) or barest minimal (wmii/xmonad...). KDE5 is surely a great piece of tech but I fail to see what's new except for a cleaner KDE4 in terms of UX; these days I feel dom/javascript bear more innovation (maybe too much).

Gnome, Unity, KDE. I couldn't care less. They all let me launch apps and switch between them quickly and easily. That's all I need from a desktop environment. I don't understand why people feel so passionate about them.

I used to be a 'believer' of DE, but now I stopped craving for applications, menus, widgets and wallpaper settings. It's 99% timewaste.

I think people still like DE because they try to make mouse UX fancy. If you're used to keyboards, dmenu is almost all you need. I'm sure even casual users or noobs would love it.

Re: KDE Plasma 5

#18

Am I the only one who lost interest in Desktop Environments ? I'm either satisfied with bare minimum (XFCE/ThunarFM...) or barest minimal (wmii/xmonad...). KDE5 is surely a great piece of tech but I fail to see what's new except for a cleaner KDE4 in terms of UX; these days I feel dom/javascript bear more innovation (maybe too much).

Gnome, Unity, KDE. I couldn't care less. They all let me launch apps and switch between them quickly and easily. That's all I need from a desktop environment. I don't understand why people feel so passionate about them.

Gnome doesn't let you switch easily (alt-tab is somewhat bad). Gnome doesn't let you see your apps well (huge waste of space for candy graphics). [and the list with Gnome goes on and on]; KDE doesn't let you launch them easily (yay for ignoring super-key). KDE is super unstable. I'm sure there are caveats with Unity as well. Simply, there is still reason to chose one or the other, these systems are not interchangeable in looks, feel, or functionality.

Re: KDE Plasma 5

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Am I the only one who lost interest in Desktop Environments ? I'm either satisfied with bare minimum (XFCE/ThunarFM...) or barest minimal (wmii/xmonad...). KDE5 is surely a great piece of tech but I fail to see what's new except for a cleaner KDE4 in terms of UX; these days I feel dom/javascript bear more innovation (maybe too much).

Yes. I use the Awesome window manager[1] which is a tiling window manager, and that's all I need. I start programs using ALT-R then typing the executable name (there is tab completion) and though you can set up menus I never use them. I don't end up using the mouse much and while I don't know if it's actually more efficient it feels more productive to me to keep my hands on the keyboard.

[1] http://awesome.naquadah.org/

Re: KDE Plasma 5

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love using awesomewm with Arch Linux because of its minimality, but I use Lubuntu only because I cannot configure fonts to look good in Arch as in Ubuntu, tried ubuntu fontconfig packages but no luck.

try infinality from aur ( https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/freetype2-infinality/ ) way better fonts than ubuntu, and couldn't be easier.

This. Running Debian with the infinality patches and it's a big difference. It's easy to build as well.
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