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An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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I can't believe the linked article never says, "Eventually we'll know what these conditions are in a biological sense, after which this debate about drugs will go away, replaced by actual science, in which a drug either does or does not address an established, known cause." So long as we administer drugs based only on their effect on symptoms but without understanding root causes, there will be all kinds of abuse and…

God forbid we should use treatments that could reduce suffering in patients...

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

#112
post #91

I can't believe the linked article never says, "Eventually we'll know what these conditions are in a biological sense, after which this debate about drugs will go away, replaced by actual science, in which a drug either does or does not address an established, known cause." So long as we administer drugs based only on their effect on symptoms but without understanding root causes, there will be all kinds of abuse and…

God forbid we should use treatments that could reduce suffering in patients...

Like recovered memory therapy, for example, or prefrontal lobotomy? There's a reason mainstream medicine forbids therapies that have no experimental verification, a wise practice that has yet to take hold in psychology.

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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A lot of these Russia-specific drugs are scams. The papers glorifying their magical properties have no scientific basis, but rather published for bribes. There are serious papers in Russian medical journals describing healing properties of holy water. There are very popular anti-flu drugs like Arbidol that actually do nothing. This is the country where pseudoscience reigns supreme.

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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post #112

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God forbid we should use treatments that could reduce suffering in patients...

Like recovered memory therapy, for example, or prefrontal lobotomy? There's a reason mainstream medicine forbids therapies that have no experimental verification, a wise practice that has yet to take hold in psychology.

ADHD therapy is very well "experimentally" verified in most of the hundreds of double blind studies you are refusing to acknowledge...

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like recovered memory therapy, for example, or prefrontal lobotomy? There's a reason mainstream medicine forbids therapies that have no experimental verification, a wise practice that has yet to take hold in psychology.

ADHD therapy is very well "experimentally" verified in most of the hundreds of double blind studies you are refusing to acknowledge...

> ADHD therapy is very well "experimentally" verified ...

So is recovered memory therapy, with thousands of satisfied customers, each of which made a false outrageous claim about an imaginary sex crime, then went on to sue their parents, or boyfriends, or therapists -- and in some cases, all of them.

Your conception of science is below that required for astrology. No one knows what ADHD is or how to treat it. Therefore, there is no therapy for ADHD.

> verified in most of the hundreds of double blind studies ...

You mean the double blind studies you earlier claimed were unethical? There are no double-blind studies carried out with respect to ADHD, because there is no science taking place. And now that the NIMH has pulled the plug, such studies can no longer even be proposed for funding.

> you are refusing to acknowledge...

I did the research, and you are lying. Do your own research:

http://www.childmind.org/en/posts/articles/2013-4-9-most-com...

The linked article says the number one misdiagnosis among children is ... wait for it ... ADHD. The reason is that it's all based on symptoms, not causes, and this is part of the reason for the diagnosis rate and the many errors that are made.

In short, no science, no reliable diagnosis.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100817103342.ht...

Quote: "Nearly one million children in U.S. potentially misdiagnosed with ADHD, study finds"

"Nearly one million children in the United States are potentially misdiagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder simply because they are the youngest -- and most immature -- in their kindergarten class, according to new research."

"ADHD is the most commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder for kids in the United States, with at least 4.5 million diagnoses among children under age 18, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. However, there are no neurological markers for ADHD (such as a blood test), and experts disagree on its prevalence, fueling intense public debate about whether ADHD is under-diagnosed or over-diagnosed ..."

You need to realize that the professional literature absolutely disagrees with your claims about ADHD, this has been brought to your attention, you have ignored the information readily available at your fingertips, which makes you a liar.

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ADHD therapy is very well "experimentally" verified in most of the hundreds of double blind studies you are refusing to acknowledge...

> ADHD therapy is very well "experimentally" verified ... So is recovered memory therapy, with thousands of satisfied customers, each of which made a false outrageous claim about an imaginary sex crime, then went on to sue their parents, or boyfriends, or therapists -- and in some cases, all of them. Your conception of science is below that required for astrology. No one knows what ADHD is or how to treat it. Therefo…

So essentially there are two kinds of science, one is the way I and millions of other scientists believe in, and then there is your own definition, which is the only true one? I'm giving up...

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ADHD therapy is very well "experimentally" verified ... So is recovered memory therapy, with thousands of satisfied customers, each of which made a false outrageous claim about an imaginary sex crime, then went on to sue their parents, or boyfriends, or therapists -- and in some cases, all of them. Your conception of science is below that required for astrology. No one knows what ADHD is or how to treat it. Therefo…

So essentially there are two kinds of science, one is the way I and millions of other scientists believe in, and then there is your own definition, which is the only true one? I'm giving up...

> So essentially there are two kinds of science ...

No there is ONE KIND OF SCIENCE, it is defined in the law, and it is why the DSM is being discarded. Science is not a matter of opinion as you seem to think, it is a matter of evidence and discipline.

> I'm giving up...

Your ignorance is astounding. There is ONE PROPERTY that all science must have, it is non-negotiable, and every freshman science student knows what it is. I asked this already, you ignored it out of embarrassment, NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION.

It can be expressed in a single word, science requires it, psychology doesn't possess it, what is it?

ANSWER THE QUESTION OR STOP POSTING.

How science is defined in the law (why Creationism cannot be taught in high school science classrooms):

http://arachnoid.com/building_science/index.html#Science_Def...

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

#118
post #80

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It's things like this that point out that the author a) can't write effectively and b) doesn't know anything about pharmacology/medicinal chemistry. Why are people going nuts about an article written about a very advanced subject that's written by a non-expert?

If someone working at a hospital, doing psychiatry for a living and known for reading tons of research papers is a "non-expert" then I don't know who to read anymore. By this standard you shouldn't listen to anyone here about anything related to programming or startups.

Psychiatrists with reading habits aren't medicinal chemists or pharmacologists.
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