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An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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> This article is junk science. The author opens by suggesting that Russians have discovered and use a different set of chemical elements than the ones we use in the United States, going so far as to suggest that one of them is a room temperature superconductor in ways that American scientists are uninterested in. Either I completely failed to see sarcasm in your comment, or you completely failed in Reading Comprehen…

I sometimes wonder why people make these egregious reading comprehension mistakes. It sometimes seem to come from reading stuff too literally. Are the people who do this really smart but simply too analytically inclined to comprehend normal prose?

I don't know. My natural reaction when reading something that clearly makes no sense is to assume that maybe I misread something, go back a bit and read more carefully.

Maybe it's because some people have the default assumption of "they must be wrong", and others "I might be wrong", and this determines how their knee-jerk reactions look like?

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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It's important to look at the FDA's job in terms of diminishing returns, or maybe as a classification problem. You have some number of drugs coming in, some of which are helpful and some of which are harmful. But you don't have any perfect means of figuring out whether a drug is good or bad. If you start from no screening it's very easy to stop a lot of bad drugs without stopping many good drugs, but as you apply tighter and tighter criteria the ration of good drugs you accidentally stop for each bad drug you stop gets higher and higher.[1]

In practice, of course, some of the rejected drugs aren't explicitly rejected by the FDA but rather rejected by the system because they are never put through the FDA screening in the first place, but the principle is the same.

One would ideally want to set the difficulty of getting through FDA testing to maximize some quantity, such as the average effect of an approved drug on people's Quality Adjusted Life Years. But it's clear that this is not actually what happens. When the FDA rejects a drug people never hear about the lives that were not saved by it, but if even a single person is killed by a drug that was let through FDA screening. Every study on the matter that I've seen says that the FDA is actually way too restrictive in how it regulates drugs. And I should mention that this is in contrast to other countries such as most of Europe or Canada or Japan which have much saner drug regulation regimes.

I should also say that this is only a criticism of the FDA in it's role as a drug regulator. It seems to do a pretty good job as a food regulator. I suppose the number of voters involved in food production dwarfs those involved in drug production.

[1] You get more type 1 errors for each type 2 error. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This article is junk science. The author opens by suggesting that Russians have discovered and use a different set of chemical elements than the ones we use in the United States, going so far as to suggest that one of them is a room temperature superconductor in ways that American scientists are uninterested in. Either I completely failed to see sarcasm in your comment, or you completely failed in Reading Comprehen…

I sometimes wonder why people make these egregious reading comprehension mistakes. It sometimes seem to come from reading stuff too literally. Are the people who do this really smart but simply too analytically inclined to comprehend normal prose?

> really smart but simply too analytically inclined to comprehend normal prose?

I can not connect this type of comprehension problem to the analytical trait/skill/etc. I have definitely see similar comprehension mistakes in non-analytical people.

I think it is unlikely that If you saw some one you thought was not smart make the same mistake would you claim it was because they were too analytical.

Coming to conclusions quickly and acting on them is viable useful strategy on many occasions. It makes sense that it would be used at most levels of intelligence. Taken to far it can be jumping to conclusions and can have heavy consequences.

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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Maybe the FDAs mandate could be changed to regulate drugs to maximise the benefit to society. That way things like Melatoin should be allowed and the shenanigans detailed in Bad Pharma (book by Ben Goldacre) should be dealt with. There seems a lot of stuff that is not entirely in the public interest at the moment.

Yes, regulation is always improved by additional regulation.

Unless you can prove that applying additional regulation always leads to bad outcomes, you need to prove that in this case it will before rejecting OP's idea off-hand.

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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But we have patents, as well. If a major US drug company invents a new superdrug, and spend decades and billions of dollars to get it approved, they can at least be sure that if it gets approved they will get the royalties from its sale. But if a company spends decades and billions of dollars fighting for the approval of a drug they do not hold the patent on, they are by no means guaranteed making even a single penny…

Hyperbole. Marketing is how the rest of us sell things. Giant drug company would have many advantages there. They are likely to sell boatloads of product regardless of patents. The patent is a greedy attempt to dominate the market legally in addition to commercially by creating a monopoly.

It's not how many they sell that matters, but how much money they make on them and how that compares to the cost of getting a drug through the FDA approval process.

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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Author seems confused as to the naming of chemical elements. Just because the Russians might use different names for elements doesn't mean they have discovered chemically unique elements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chemical_elements_namin...

The first bit of the article is an analogy to highlight the bizarre situation described in the second bit.

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we have patents, as well. If a major US drug company invents a new superdrug, and spend decades and billions of dollars to get it approved, they can at least be sure that if it gets approved they will get the royalties from its sale. But if a company spends decades and billions of dollars fighting for the approval of a drug they do not hold the patent on, they are by no means guaranteed making even a single penny…

Hyperbole. Marketing is how the rest of us sell things. Giant drug company would have many advantages there. They are likely to sell boatloads of product regardless of patents. The patent is a greedy attempt to dominate the market legally in addition to commercially by creating a monopoly.

To say that drug patents are nothing but greed is way off base. The cost of R&D together with the work needed for FDA approval is typically astronomical – the only way you're recouping that is with a monopoly and a high price.

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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I'm not sure about US law, but there should be a provision like importing a non-licensed drug for a named patient, with declaration from the doctor and pharmacist saying that they bear full responsibility in case anything goes bad. Using this the doctor can import any kind of drug as they wish - but of course they must be responsible for it as there is no more "screening" from FDA.

Singapore has this provision because the market is too small for lots of drugs to come in.

Re: An Iron Curtain Has Descended Upon Psychopharmacology

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The original article says the curtain has descended on Psychopharmacology, which seems an important distinction vs Pharmacology used in the submission here.

Yes, when I read the title I was expecting the article to talk about Alexander Shulgin.
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