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Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by scrollaway »

Silhouette wrote: post #249
scrollaway wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not lock in (not for the purpose of lock-in anyway) - it's for security reasons and it is in fact exclusive to Windows. Chrome was getting abused by thousands of extra-crapware installers which would install extra extensions etc. They have taken a gradual response to the issue but it always came down to ">99% of outside extensions installed on windows are crapware. This is exclusive to Windows due to its perm…

Chrome was getting abused by thousands of extra-crapware installers which would install extra extensions etc. Chrome is a prime offender in the "installing unwanted add-ons" game. I'm using Firefox right now, and it has a "Google Update" extension installed that I certainly didn't put there. My system has a silent Google Update process that runs in the background as well. Neither of these, to my knowledge, gave me an…

1. They are not criticizing, they are preventing. 2. You are full of it. Everything you are talking about is part of the Google Updater. An open source program which keeps Chrome (and various other google products if installed) up to date. Needless to say, these updaters don't even exist on Linux and are only there on Windows because of the latter's absolutely moronic handling of updates.

As for Chrome undermining the system security model: [citation needed]

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by stephenr »

_random_ wrote: post #280
stephenr wrote: post #185

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I never mentioned security. Their whole approach with both this and Dart are perfect examples of how they are following the old Microsoft playbook. "Your browser does not support Flash/Java/ActiveX/Bert and Ernie's latest bullshit, please upgrade to X to continue"

Dart is awesome! I hope they will come up with something that fixes all HTML & CSS warts as well. Don't tell me technology doesn't thrive on competition. Pigeonholing everyone into same set of legacy languages is simply not OK! (no transpiling suggestions please - it's crap)

This is why HTML CSS and JavaScript standards are constantly evolving, to solve real world problems.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by tambourine_man »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #289
tambourine_man wrote: post #288

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If user interface is eye candy to you then what does that say?

Do you really feel like the Firefox UI is subpar?

No, but being on equal footing is not enough.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by dang »

walterbell wrote: post #264
wfjackson wrote: post #244

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They do try to break other platforms, like refusing to make a YouTube app on Windows Phone and then sending a takedown on a Microsoft written app. YouTube and the content providers do get hurt with these actions but Google doesn't care because they're willing to hurt themselves in order to hurt Windows Phone. Even Vimeo has a Windows Phone app since many years. Also, interesting that this article seems to have comple…

> Also, interesting that this article seems to have completely disappeared off HN very suddenly. This article moved directly from #2 to #247. It's not obvious why an entire thread of 255 comments was moved, instead of downvoting a single sockpuppet post.

The post was a duplicate.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8185935

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by dang »

eropple wrote: post #238
findjashua wrote: post #204

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You stated facts, with sources. I can't see why someone would downvote, and that too without stating the reason. I upvoted to counter at least one downvoter.

I downvoted and flagged him because he spams this post on Google threads, using a sockpuppet every time. He is not interested in discussion, he's interested in frothing.

If true, that's abusive. If you email links of previous instances to hn@ycombinator.com, we will investigate.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by F30 »

bostik wrote: post #96
babby wrote: post #34

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Multi process is coming soon, it will be enabled by default at version 35 in nightly. I feel the same way about Firefox's performance. If it can be overcome, I'd not have a reason to touch Chrome again.

> * Multi process is coming soon, it will be enabled by default at version 35 in nightly.* Please let that be true. Do you have links at hand where these near-future roadmap decisions could be tracked?

For more information on the multi-processing feature, check out this blog post: http://www.ghacks.net/2014/07/12/mozilla-plans-release-elect...

Some general information regarding the features of coming-up versions can be found here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Release_Tracking

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by stephenr »

_cipher_ wrote: post #279
stephenr wrote: post #170

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As opposed to bundling Flash player?

On a side note, I hope flash dies a painful and quick death.

It hasn't already?

I haven't installed Flash for several years and I can't say I feel like I'm missing out on anything because of that..

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by stephenr »

yohui wrote: post #275
stephenr wrote: post #202

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I was referring more to the fact that what Google says ("embrace the open web", "open source wins", etc) don't really mean shit. Chrome isn't open source, chromium is. What are the extra bits in chrome? My issue is not that google does what it does, my issue is the religious cult like status so many tech related people give google, in spite of their numerous and repeated attempts to control so many facts of the digit…

> Chrome isn't open source, chromium is. What are the extra bits in chrome? https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoo... Plus, if you're on Windows or Mac, the auto-updater for Chrome. The most significant differences are probably that Chrome has oit-of-the-box support for AAC, H.264, MP3, and Flash that Chromium does not have (by default).

When the whole issue being discussed is about Google's control/power, and the potential for mis-use, and general mis-trust of Google, it seems a little odd to reference a google supplied document about the differences between the open source and commercial versions.

If they are doing nefarious things (e.g. if they shipped something that benefited their own web properties and hurt others) they wouldn't exactly publicise that, now would they?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by bostik »

F30 wrote: post #296
bostik wrote: post #96

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> * Multi process is coming soon, it will be enabled by default at version 35 in nightly.* Please let that be true. Do you have links at hand where these near-future roadmap decisions could be tracked?

For more information on the multi-processing feature, check out this blog post: http://www.ghacks.net/2014/07/12/mozilla-plans-release-elect... Some general information regarding the features of coming-up versions can be found here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Release_Tracking

Thank you. I had read about Electrolysis, probably back in February, but had managed to forget about it. "Didn't work, needs more love" results from back then probably contributed to my ignorance.

The second link just went into bookmarks. Even though it didn't mention anything about this particular feature (has content only until R34), it will be helpful for me to know something about the oncoming changes before they happen.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by wingerlang »

ck2 wrote: post #68
wingerlang wrote: post #8

I've gone back to FF after using Chrome literally form the day it landed. I changed because of vimperator + the ability to theme the header slimmer (i'm on laptop 24/7). But frankly it kind of sucks a bit and I have to jump over to Chrome a lot because almost no videos will play in FF.

Firefox 33 will have native h.264 support so that will solve the video problem. September 2nd will bring 33beta

That sounds like an event I will be first in line for.
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