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A Leica T Review

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Re: A Leica T Review

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Having used a great many different cameras what I think about Leicas is that their primary advantage is the state of mind they create in the photographer, which isn't really connected to any tangible usability in design, or engineering marvel in the camera performance.

Just the fact that some photographers know they have a Leica in their hand, makes them feel more liberated and ... how shall I say it ... "photographery".

I think it cannot be denied that with a suitable picture style, you could shoot JPEGs on a 5D MkIII that look similar to what a Leica produces without processing. I bet you most people would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the JPEGs with their naked eye, and even fewer would be able to pick out which one was from the Leica, and which from the 5DMkIII.

Leicas remind me of French Wine. Everyone waxes poetic about them until they are asked to pick out the Leica photos from a lineup in a double blind test.

At that point everyone then says the Leica is about intangible things like "superior UI".

In the end, I think the Leica is a brand first, and then a camera with certain characteristics next.

A camera made from a solid carved piece of aluminum is just damn attractive. But people feel the need to imbue the Leica with more qualities than it actually has, because maybe they feel embarrassed to have chosen the tool of their trade based on its looks, rather than its utility.

I for one think designers should not apologize for choosing a camera just because it looks good. Design is their whole trade, and they need to surround themselves with inspiration to get into their creative space.

I look at Leica as the cost of doing business for a designer. That is the way their brains work.

And lest programmers develop some superiority complex about their rationality ... I want to suggest that the success of the Go programming language is about aesthetics at this point.

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I think there's too much focus these days on what you can get for the money, and not what you can get. You have one life, why fill it with particle board and Chinese plastic smell? Why not save up and buy things that last. That bring joy to your life and enrich it. Why buy a three dollar Chinese screwdriver with an imprecisely cut point that strips every fifth screw, when for ten dollars you can get a precision cut,…

> "I think there's too much focus these days on what you can get for the money, and not what you can get."

Agree, but with the Leica T you're not really getting much either. Even if it was priced at the same level as the prosumer Sony/Olympus/Fuji cameras it's still a dud.

The body itself is immaculately crafted, that's to be certain - I've actually held one and it feels great.

But the software sucks, the controls are awkward, the screen is mediocre, and basic functions of a camera like autofocus are slow. It's a showpiece, not a workhorse, regardless of the price.

This isn't the Ferrari everyone likes to compare Leicas to, it's paying $300K for a Lada encrusted with diamonds.

I'm not above paying for good design and manufacturing, but it needs to hit the baseline of being a good camera first. I'd buy a Leica M (well, if I had more money) but there's no way I'd touch either the T or the even-more-cash-grabby X-Vario.

For another example of style-over-substance camera (or really just style-without-substance), see the Hasselblad Lunar.

Re: A Leica T Review

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The Leica T is simply a rebranded Sony in a tighter package. If you look around at these guys, you'll see its even a Sony sensor and guts. Hassleblad does the same thing - simply look at the Lunar series. It's basically a Sony RX100 and NEX-7 w/ a wood handle. ( http://www.hasselblad-lunar.com/ ). Don't be impressed by this, from a technology perspective. Be impressed by its machining and "re"-design of the Sony cons…

Nikon also uses Sony chips, even in their flagship cameras. The value added by the brand is presumably the lens mount/lens compatibility, controls etc. I continue to use Nikon products because they have maintained some consistency with their physical UI. The Leica T controls don't appeal to me though, so I wouldn't consider it even at a much lower price point. Its disappointing, considering that I might be interested in a lower priced M.

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I dunno, I've thought about getting a Leica every once in a while, then I see reviews like this with pictures from the camera and I'm always so "meh" about how they look. Everything looks like there's a 2-5% grey filter on it, and anything with any kind of luminescence always looks blown out. Most of the sample galleries I've seen on the have the added minus of all looking just slightly out of focus. There's a defini…

If money were no object and I were to buy a Leica for B&W it would be the M Monochrom. A true monochrome sensor and a lot more choice in lenses. http://en.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/Leica-M-Monoc...

Or stash up on a lifetime supply of M6 Classics and a freezer full of Tri-X and x-tol (or ascorbic acid) developer solution...I'm not sure what the going price of a M Monochrom is but I'd bet you'd be able to get at least 5 M6's for that price. Spare parts!

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I apologize for my ignorance, but does anyone know the brand and model of that unusual watch about a third of the way down the page?

http://www.minimallyminimal.com/blog/issey-miyake-to-by-toku... ($1400)

Not quite so expensive. €249.00 (but currently out of stock) here:

http://www.seriouswatches.com/brands/issey-miyake/issey-miya...

Re: A Leica T Review

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Having used a great many different cameras what I think about Leicas is that their primary advantage is the state of mind they create in the photographer, which isn't really connected to any tangible usability in design, or engineering marvel in the camera performance. Just the fact that some photographers know they have a Leica in their hand, makes them feel more liberated and ... how shall I say it ... "photographe…

In the film days, it really made a difference. You can use a Leica M4 or 6, yeah it'd cost you a little more but your camera took amazing photos at 1/4 the weight and size of say, a Nikon F3, with a shutter that is whisper quiet. You can go closer and shoot more unobtrusively; while a given Nikon has equal optics, if different characteristics, it couldn't go where a Leica could. At least that's my take on it.

Granted, you could get the same effect from, say, a Canonet or a Yashica but still...

Nowadays, though - I am assuming mechanical precision and design is a more commoditized skill amongst companies whereas EE design - semiconductors, sensors, etc is more of a differentiator. In the age of tiny mirrorless Fuji's and Sony's, Leica's value proposition is more or less destroyed.

I think it's the classic story of an original innovator sitting on their asses while a disruptive tsunami -- modern electronics and computer science -- passed them by. Granted, they sat on their asses for arguably 4 full decades, so they had plenty of time to go "oh shit" and adapt, and the fact that they didn't leaves me with little sympathy.

Them and Eastman Kodak.

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Having used a great many different cameras what I think about Leicas is that their primary advantage is the state of mind they create in the photographer, which isn't really connected to any tangible usability in design, or engineering marvel in the camera performance. Just the fact that some photographers know they have a Leica in their hand, makes them feel more liberated and ... how shall I say it ... "photographe…

I shoot a 5DMII with a variety of pricy glass. I'm not very good yet, but good enough for people to offer to pay me and to incorporate into the work we do at Venn. I've even been hired to do some video stuff by the CBC (web only, of course). I think most non-photographers can tell when a photo is "pro" but they have a harder time distinguishing how good things are at the top part of the photography spectrum.

For fun, I'll sometimes go on "photo walks" around Toronto with my friend that owns a super pricey Leica and has been into photography for way longer than I have. The primary advantage he has beyond just being a better photographer than I am is that when he takes a street photo people don't notice he is there until he already has the shot, whereas I look like a paparazzi.

I've lost so many shots because people see the militaristic look of my camera / lens combination. It also can sometimes lead to arguments on the street over the finer points of the legality of photography in public in Canada. Whereas Leica cameras never really illicit this response.

Not that I'm ever going to shoot Leica, I find Canon's cameras much more usable and ergonomically designed.

Re: A Leica T Review

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The Leica T is simply a rebranded Sony in a tighter package. If you look around at these guys, you'll see its even a Sony sensor and guts. Hassleblad does the same thing - simply look at the Lunar series. It's basically a Sony RX100 and NEX-7 w/ a wood handle. ( http://www.hasselblad-lunar.com/ ). Don't be impressed by this, from a technology perspective. Be impressed by its machining and "re"-design of the Sony cons…

Compact Leicas are usually rebranded Panasonic's. This one isn't, it has it's own mount and dedicaded Leica lenses. It's not a rebrand and price-hike like the compact Leica's and the Lunar.

Re: A Leica T Review

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Having used a great many different cameras what I think about Leicas is that their primary advantage is the state of mind they create in the photographer, which isn't really connected to any tangible usability in design, or engineering marvel in the camera performance. Just the fact that some photographers know they have a Leica in their hand, makes them feel more liberated and ... how shall I say it ... "photographe…

I definitely get what you say...quite frankly, that's probably how I feel about Apple hardware...I feel way more comfortable typing away at a standard Mac keyboard, even though it's likely a comparably-priced keyboard from a keyboard-manufacturer would have more bells and whistles and be better constructed.

I consider myself a decent amateur photographer...and reading the OP makes me think that, with some tweaking, there's a foundation here for a good Portlandia sketch. I get that beauty is in the eye of the photographer, but I made a mental snort reading the OP's amazement at how good he felt his pics came from right out the camera...(I also think it's a bit silly to prize the just-out-of-the-camera quality, as if it were the difference between fresh-from-the-farm and factory chicken eggs). But what really turns me off is that I associate Leica with great hardware...it sounds like they've sacrificed precise controls with an imprecise touchscreen...I thought the point of a Leica was to give a skilled photographer a full-range of control and depth? To reduce the physical controls so that the camera comes out as a more pure slab of aluminum seems like a move toward superficiality than of craftsmanship.

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