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Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by matthewmacleod »

recalibrator wrote: post #25

Developers, please stop making add-ons and extensions for Google products. You accelerate Google's domination and vendor lock-in when you do.

You could say that about building an app or add-on for literally any product.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by 88trh »

The separate URL and search bars are the one reason I don't switch. Such a silly UI feature that feels years behind other browsers.

I know you can get rid of it, but then I have to fiddle around with about:config to get it working as I want it to out of the box. All very strange.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by specialp »

This is actually very true. Having Chrome/V8 out there has definitely improved the state of browsers as far as performance; especially in regards to JavaScript. But now we face a situation where Google is getting such a market share with Chrome and their other web properties where lock in is a very real possibility, and the only way to keep an open, standardized web is to make sure there are still other browsers with major market share.

I once switched from Firefox to Chrome as Firefox became bloated and drifted away from its original mission to be a light weight branch from Mozilla (the browser). Now it is much better, but I still end up using Chrome when doing front end development as the developer tools on Chrome are fantastic. I do notice lately though that Firefox is putting new emphasis on devtools.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by mweibel »

tux wrote: post #2

I really like firefox and still use it as my main browser. But you guys started to force users to your own standards. By locking or removing many options. For example, you have locked (left and right) arrows and now refresh button. What's next home button ? I don't mind arrows been locked, even throught I like to have a choice. But having my refresh button locked in one place without ability to move it to alternative…

I think what they to with the settings is actually correct. I'd say most of the users don't even think about changing the stuff you just said. Therefore it's correct to, in order to make the settings easier, remove not widely used settings.

And, as you say, it's still easy to change the settings in about:config - which is exactly targeted at people needing to change more things.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by _random_ »

Mozilla's persistent over-promotion of the legacy technologies (HTML, JS, CSS) as the only acceptable way of web development is a very strong turn-off for me.

NaCl let's you use e.g. C# in-browser without shitty and low-performance workarounds like transpiling. I hope it will become mainstream.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by nawitus »

specialp wrote: post #54

This is actually very true. Having Chrome/V8 out there has definitely improved the state of browsers as far as performance; especially in regards to JavaScript. But now we face a situation where Google is getting such a market share with Chrome and their other web properties where lock in is a very real possibility, and the only way to keep an open, standardized web is to make sure there are still other browsers with…

I think the developer tools in the latest Firefox are absolutely fantastic. I don't think Chrome offers anything substantially better currently for frontend development.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by mrec »

88trh wrote: post #53

The separate URL and search bars are the one reason I don't switch. Such a silly UI feature that feels years behind other browsers. I know you can get rid of it, but then I have to fiddle around with about:config to get it working as I want it to out of the box. All very strange.

It's not strange. You might not care about or agree with the reasons behind this decision, but personally I find a concern for user privacy - don't send keystrokes to Google until and unless the user indicates that they're searching - very refreshing in this day and age.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by _random_ »

88trh wrote: post #53

The separate URL and search bars are the one reason I don't switch. Such a silly UI feature that feels years behind other browsers. I know you can get rid of it, but then I have to fiddle around with about:config to get it working as I want it to out of the box. All very strange.

Also Google is now testing GUI where Chrome's URL bar replaces the Google's search bar!

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by gnud »

88trh wrote: post #53

The separate URL and search bars are the one reason I don't switch. Such a silly UI feature that feels years behind other browsers. I know you can get rid of it, but then I have to fiddle around with about:config to get it working as I want it to out of the box. All very strange.

I love the separate boxes.

I really like that when I type the name of a local server, my browser doesn't search for it.

I also like that I can search my history and bookmarks without my keypresses being sent to google/bing.

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