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A Reminder To Investors

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Re: A Reminder To Investors

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a big problem then? I'm waaaay out of start up circles so I'm surprised it even needs to be stated.

We know it does happen. Then: the optics that result from however many incidents happen have an outsized impact on all women (and, for that matter, similarly vulnerable men) considering venturing into VC-funded tech.

Fair enough. People are stupid :-(

Re: A Reminder To Investors

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post #10

She hasn't made the point "explicit" (stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt [1]), because it isn't clear what "inappropriate" means. edit: Using the word "inappropriate" makes the statement ambiguous because it states there is some sexual or romantic behavior that is "appropriate" (suitable or proper in the circumstances) [2]. If the intent here is to state that sexual or romantic behav…

I think for 99.9% of the human population (I hope!), they understand what inappropriate means. ask an adult if you aren't sure.

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Re: A Reminder To Investors

#53
post #10

She hasn't made the point "explicit" (stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt [1]), because it isn't clear what "inappropriate" means. edit: Using the word "inappropriate" makes the statement ambiguous because it states there is some sexual or romantic behavior that is "appropriate" (suitable or proper in the circumstances) [2]. If the intent here is to state that sexual or romantic behav…

I think for 99.9% of the human population (I hope!), they understand what inappropriate means. ask an adult if you aren't sure.

Let's look at the opposite of the question to see if that lends any light. What exactly is "appropriate sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders?" If the answer is "there is none" then falsestprophet has a valid point. The word inappropriate just leads to unnecessary interpretations and grey area that wouldn't exist if the word was just left out of that sentence.

Re: A Reminder To Investors

#54
post #18

She hasn't made the point "explicit" (stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt [1]), because it isn't clear what "inappropriate" means. edit: Using the word "inappropriate" makes the statement ambiguous because it states there is some sexual or romantic behavior that is "appropriate" (suitable or proper in the circumstances) [2]. If the intent here is to state that sexual or romantic behav…

Demo Day is a business context. If you are an investor talking to the founder of a YC startup, it's a business conversation. There shouldn't be any hint of romance, dates, flirting. Explicit enough for you?

Then say all and not inappropriate - presumably you come down with a fit of vapours when NCIS is on and Toy and Ziva flirt.

Re: A Reminder To Investors

#56
post #10

She hasn't made the point "explicit" (stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt [1]), because it isn't clear what "inappropriate" means. edit: Using the word "inappropriate" makes the statement ambiguous because it states there is some sexual or romantic behavior that is "appropriate" (suitable or proper in the circumstances) [2]. If the intent here is to state that sexual or romantic behav…

I think for 99.9% of the human population (I hope!), they understand what inappropriate means. ask an adult if you aren't sure.

> ask an adult if you aren't sure.

I think that's exactly what he did, and he got downvoted into oblivion for it.

Re: A Reminder To Investors

#57
You apply for a job or you build a startup and you want to be a professional. You want to do awesome things. Then someone else comes around, whether from a position of power or not and displays romantic or sexual interest towards you. No matter how polite it is, it irreversibly changes the previously professional relationship in a very discomforting way.

It's a dick move and it's shit like this why many women shy away from participating in technology.

Re: A Reminder To Investors

#58
If you don't understand why this needs to be done, you're part of the problem. If you think romantic overtures as an investor to a founder is 'ok', or should be ok, you're part of the problem.

EDIT: For those of you who think this is too harsh, you're proving my point. Sexism in tech will start to become less of a problem once people recognize that it's an issue. If you don't think it's an issue -- you're part of the problem.

Re: A Reminder To Investors

#60

In which world, universe, philosophy, call-it-however-you-want, is "romantic behaviour" more sexist than holding a "FEMALE Founders Conference"?

Good question. Who's looking after the interests of male founders?

It's not about the interests of anyone. It's about trying to fight sexism but instead of educating the people you try to create an environment where it can't exist. It's like trying to fight sea pollution by making swimming pools. You can enjoy your time in a pool but the pollution in the sea is still there.
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