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Google Invests in $300M Submarine Cable to Improve Connection Between Japan, US

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Re: Google Invests in $300M Submarine Cable to Improve Connection Between Japan, US

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I would love to see Google do this for Australia and New Zealand as well. Both countries are at the end of the line (so-to-speak) and would benefit greatly from something like this. Our Internet is pretty rubbish and expensive, and while that might be in part due to limited choice of ISP's, archaic Government policies and equipment, bandwidth is a HUGE problem.

I always understood that the major problem with our internet is that >90% of our content comes via these cables, which makes the infrastructure costs of supplying bandwidth far more than, say, continental US where you don't have to cross literal oceans to reach all of the servers storing peoples' internet data.

If we consumed most of our internet from AU servers, our costs would decrease as you wouldn't need as fat intercontinental pipes.

Re: Google Invests in $300M Submarine Cable to Improve Connection Between Japan, US

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I wonder what the difference is in the technology of the 3.3TB/s cable and the 60TB/c cable, just strands? (approx 20 more?)

That jumped out at me too. My wild guess is that the older fiber is a 10G system, the new one is 40G. From [1] > Unity cable system consists of eight fiber pairs, has design capacity up to 7.68 Tbps, with each fiber pair operating at 96x10G DWDM system. From [2] > the SJC cable system consists of 6 fiber pairs with the initial design capacity of 28 terabits per second, Taking a guess that there are 96x40Gb/s x 6 fibe…

Unity! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yLJ5NHARMk

Re: Google Invests in $300M Submarine Cable to Improve Connection Between Japan, US

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I would love to see Google do this for Australia and New Zealand as well. Both countries are at the end of the line (so-to-speak) and would benefit greatly from something like this. Our Internet is pretty rubbish and expensive, and while that might be in part due to limited choice of ISP's, archaic Government policies and equipment, bandwidth is a HUGE problem.

There's one company already investing/building on this called SubPartners - http://www.subpartners.net

They are planning 3 submarine cables: 1. APX Central - Connecting Sydney, Melbourne, Hobart, Adelaide and Perth. http://www.subpartners.net/cables/apx-central.html 2. APX East - Sydney, NZ, California. http://www.subpartners.net/cables/apx-east.html 3. APX West - Perth, Jakarta, Singapore. http://www.subpartners.net/cables/apx-west.html

All 3 are planned to be completed by Q3, 2016. Obviously lots of factors and risks involved.

If Google (and others with investments in local clouds. eg: Amazon, Microsoft etc) wanted to invest, those 3 would be what you'd want to invest in.

Re: Google Invests in $300M Submarine Cable to Improve Connection Between Japan, US

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post #57

I wonder if this will improve connection to South Korea as well. Browsing .de websites from here involves a trip around the world, Seoul - San Jose - New York - London - Frankfurt for an average ping of 300ms.

Increases in bandwidth aren't going to lower latency. This path may be slightly more direct than an alternate cable system, but as long as your going through the US, the connection will never be able to go bellow ~200ms between South Korea and Germany.

Re: Google Invests in $300M Submarine Cable to Improve Connection Between Japan, US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japanese are very egocentric and insular. There was a story on Hackaday about Japanese Hackers simply ignoring English speaking part of the internet. Those are Hackers hacking on something in a Hackerspace, people on the forefront of open minded thinking.

Am I to understand then that there is a parallel online hacking community populated by Japanese-speakers? I have never really run across this, just blogs randonly-dispersed.

Of course there is! After all, the majority of Japanese developers don't speak English.

There's also a lot of offline activity: meetups, study groups and (less commonly) hackathons.

For example, look at JAWS-UG (Japan AWS User Group)'s schedule:

http://jaws-ug.jp/

Re: Google Invests in $300M Submarine Cable to Improve Connection Between Japan, US

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Obligatory link to "Mother Earth, Motherboard" whenever submarine cables are mentioned: http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html Best 50 page article you'll read this year.

Nice read, thank you. See also Tubes: A Journey to the Center of the Internet. http://www.amazon.com/dp/0061994952/

Re: Google Invests in $300M Submarine Cable to Improve Connection Between Japan, US

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This might be an absurd question, but I can't think of a better place to ask it. In my mind there's a huge mental disconnect between computers (servers/personal computers) and infrastructure like this. Could someone provide insight on when/how these types of high-throughput cables are used? How the process is managed, by who, and how on earth all those bits are lined up at such a high speed. I understand they're core…

Routers. Routers everywhere...

The internet is broken up into different networks, each one being an 'Atonomous System' (AS). These networks are all connected to other ASes at various interconnection points, such as an Internet Exchange (IX) or another point-of-presence (PoP). At these points, a router on the edge of one network is connected to a router on the edge of another.

These 'edge' or 'border' routers talk to each other with a protocol called BGP (Border Gateway Protocol). This lets them 'advertise' all the routes that you can reach through that router to other routers (like, "hey, you can get to 54.24.0.0/16 at cost x through me").

Internally, each AS will also use an internal routing protocol, such as Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) or iBGP (the internal version of Border Gateway Protocol) to internally advertise this information along with information about how to get between internal routers to work out where to go. So if you have a packet at your grandmother's house, it will hit the first router that her cable or DSL is connected to, use something like OSPF to work out the best (fastest) path through the network to a border router, and then from there the best (probably cheapest!) path to the destination based on the information it got from neighboring routers with BGP.

This is because there are two ways that ASes will interconnect - either peering, where you say "we'll let you send traffic into your network for free if we can send data into yours", and transit, where you actually pay. There may be two paths to get to your destination, and one might be shorter but more expensive in transit, so the cheaper path might get chosen, depending on the priorities of the ISP.

An undersea cable is usually internal to an AS. Typically though, it's not actually the whole cable, but one or more wavelengths through it - for example, some cables have up to ~128 different wavelengths (colours) of light going through them - each 1, 10, 40 or 100Gbps. So a cable operator usually doesn't actually handle any data transfer but just sell wavelengths to different providers. Each one usually has a separate laser and then they are all multiplexed by a piece of optical equipment into a fibre strand. This method of sending multiple wavelengths is called dense wavelength division multiplexing.

Re: Google Invests in $300M Submarine Cable to Improve Connection Between Japan, US

#69

On a slight offtopic note, I wonder why Japanese websites are still stuck in the mid 90s to early year 2000 style. One example of this is the imageboard type of websites, which interestingly enough has caught on here in the US. I wonder if these better connectivity will bring more cross culture web designs or applications to both places.

There was an interesting discussion about Japanese web design on HN late last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6718067
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