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Why Not a Three-Day Week?

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Re: Why Not a Three-Day Week?

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Yes, let's work 3 days a week in the West. China will continue to work 6 or 7 days. Fast forward 10 years and the reserve currency will be the yuan.

Well, if you really believe it is as simple as being a pure numbers game then based on population counts we're going to have to find a way to work 24 to 28 days a week to keep up with the Chinese.

So either your premise is horribly flawed or we're fucked no matter what we do.

Re: Why Not a Three-Day Week?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd guess about half of that identify as Christian because it's socially unacceptable to be agnostic. Church communities have more uses than simple religious worship. Ask any salesman.

On this topic how many days a week do pastors work?

My dad was a music director and assistant pastor. He worked about 5 days a week, and also had another job on the side. Choir practice, church functions and services, preparing sermons, visiting sick church members, counseling members, and doing charity work add up to a good bit of time.

Re: Why Not a Three-Day Week?

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post #10

w/r/t The Protestant Work Ethic: The book only gets a one-sentence mention in the article, but much, much more could be said. Particularly, it presents overworking as a form of paranoia. Working was framed as a duty to God and since we didn't know if God existed, we were to work hard, just in case . Now that we've (largely) shifted our beliefs from a Christian god to more diffused spirituality, we can stop justifying…

> Now that we've (largely) shifted our beliefs from a Christian god to more diffused spirituality Where did you get that from? A quick google search says about 3/4 of Americans identify as Christian, and about 62% are members of a church congregation.

That's a good example of the echo chamber that HN and Silicon Valley have become. Removed from the rest of the country (and world) in so many ways...

Re: Why Not a Three-Day Week?

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I stopped reading after "John Maynard Keynes". This guy had no clue about true economics and we all suffer today for his insane theories. Three days workweek if stupid idea, because, as some real economist, Adam Smith said: there are three sources of wealth: land, capital and work. You cannot expect to become wealthier by just working less, for the same reason that you won't get fit by excercising less, or get smarter by learnig less.

Re: Why Not a Three-Day Week?

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post #10

w/r/t The Protestant Work Ethic: The book only gets a one-sentence mention in the article, but much, much more could be said. Particularly, it presents overworking as a form of paranoia. Working was framed as a duty to God and since we didn't know if God existed, we were to work hard, just in case . Now that we've (largely) shifted our beliefs from a Christian god to more diffused spirituality, we can stop justifying…

> Now that we've (largely) shifted our beliefs from a Christian god to more diffused spirituality Where did you get that from? A quick google search says about 3/4 of Americans identify as Christian, and about 62% are members of a church congregation.

Appeal to popularity is a bad argument.

But I think what the original poster intended was the decline in number of Americans attending a traditional church or believing in Christianity.

That shift is fairly pronounced, especially over the last two decades.

Re: Why Not a Three-Day Week?

#27

Why not? Because capitalism. New technology will continue to automate away more and more jobs, from manufacturing to the service industry. This could be one of the greatest achievements in human history, leading to that so-called "leisure society" futurists talked about, but that would require a massive overhaul of most countries' economic systems. All those gains in productivity mostly enrich the owner class while t…

If automation continues and demand stays the same, things like 3-day work weeks will come about naturally. A capitalist system would not prevent that from happening.

Would you care to share why you think capitalism would prevent an increase in leisure time (even though it has been increasing since the industrial revolution)?

Re: Why Not a Three-Day Week?

#28

Why not? Because capitalism. New technology will continue to automate away more and more jobs, from manufacturing to the service industry. This could be one of the greatest achievements in human history, leading to that so-called "leisure society" futurists talked about, but that would require a massive overhaul of most countries' economic systems. All those gains in productivity mostly enrich the owner class while t…

One of the biggest practical hurdles to that sort of wealth distribution is simply that there is a whole world of people outside the US ready and willing to accept investment and residence from the owner class.

That's not a problem. profits made within a country can be taxed within a country. Stopping the export of capital is a legal/legislative issue, not a logistical one.

The rich have already left. The mythical class we're "punishing" arent tied to nations/peoples any more. Their assets are however. Their companies operate within nations. They wealth is spent in deals/properties/etc. within countries.

If a Koch brother lands on US soil he can be arrested and all of his assets seized. If he does a deal with a US company, all of the transactions can be subject to US law.

It's a matter of political will.

Re: Why Not a Three-Day Week?

#29

Why not? Because capitalism. New technology will continue to automate away more and more jobs, from manufacturing to the service industry. This could be one of the greatest achievements in human history, leading to that so-called "leisure society" futurists talked about, but that would require a massive overhaul of most countries' economic systems. All those gains in productivity mostly enrich the owner class while t…

Whats the difference between a leisure state and a welfare state?

Re: Why Not a Three-Day Week?

#30

Yes, let's work 3 days a week in the West. China will continue to work 6 or 7 days. Fast forward 10 years and the reserve currency will be the yuan.

Well, if you really believe it is as simple as being a pure numbers game then based on population counts we're going to have to find a way to work 24 to 28 days a week to keep up with the Chinese. So either your premise is horribly flawed or we're fucked no matter what we do.

I agree it will eventually happen, but of course it will happen faster if we're less productive.
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