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Judge rejects $324.5M settlement over Apple, Google hiring

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Re: Judge rejects $324.5M settlement over Apple, Google hiring

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I hope the perception leans more towards 'uber rich tech execs conspired to pay their employees less' and not 'some of the best paid employees complain about how little they make'.

I think that's pretty unlikely. The tech industry has done a poor job of endearing itself to the rest of the economy over the past few years. My non-tech friends have been through the struggle of finding jobs in general throughout the recession. Few of them are going to shed a tear for engineers making less than fair market wages who already pull down six figures in their early twenties.

Someone I know in SF posted a picture today of their new Audi with a caption about how they were finally a real adult now that they owned one. I think that's pretty disconnected from reality, and sadly I think it is somewhat typical of the mindset that a lot of engineers have in this industry.

Re: Judge rejects $324.5M settlement over Apple, Google hiring

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Their collusion depressed the price of engineers generally. I spent a lot of the years in question ignoring recruiting emails from those companies, and this affected the amount my employer needed to pay me to do that. We should dig up the corpse of Steve Jobs and tar and feather it.

That last sentence right there is one of the few times I really wish I was able to down vote. I valued your opinion until you felt the need to include that.

You'll get it at around 600 karma, if you didn't already know.

Re: Judge rejects $324.5M settlement over Apple, Google hiring

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Good. the decimal point needs to move (right) before this settlement can even remotely be considered fair.

As an employer, I'd like to see it move right by two places. I'm not optimistic though.

Agreed. Even 3 decimal places wouldn't do justice to what they have done to us. Fuck those greedy bastards. If we were smart we would unionize ... err, sorry, I mean form a professional association to represent our interests. Like doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc.

Re: Judge rejects $324.5M settlement over Apple, Google hiring

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Good. the decimal point needs to move (right) before this settlement can even remotely be considered fair.

As an employer, I'd like to see it move right by two places. I'm not optimistic though.

It would be interesting to see an analysis of what the economic impact of these depressed wages has been. $3 Billion is probably not too far off the mark. Probably not $3 Billion directly to the programmers impacted, but definitely to the broader economy.

Re: Judge rejects $324.5M settlement over Apple, Google hiring

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"The ruling by U.S. District Judge Lucy Koh in San Jose, California, said the proposed settlement amount "falls below the range of reasonableness," before dashing back to her new two million dollar home to pack for her European vacation.

In NorCal that's like, what, 2BR/2BA a mile away from any public transit?

Re: Judge rejects $324.5M settlement over Apple, Google hiring

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I hope the perception leans more towards 'uber rich tech execs conspired to pay their employees less' and not 'some of the best paid employees complain about how little they make'.

I deleted the comment you've replied to because of the rapid downvotes... but screw it... I'm putting it back here. Who needs karma anyway...

To the rest of the public, we probably look like complaining oil or Walmart execs. While the rest of the general public is dealing with insane commutes and thankless/soul-crushing jobs, we got things like "The Social Network" movie, San Francisco gentrification issues, fancy catered parties and Google Glass. I can't even explain this to the rest of my family. They're like "Why are the people in your field complaining? Aren't they partying like it's 1999?" And seriously, my life is basically a dream compared to the rest of my family and past classmates not in tech. I make more money than I ever thought possible, I have no commute because BART is so close, I can WorkFromHome just about anytime I want, I work in San Franciso with lost of food options and my job is something I'd be doing on my free time anyway. I have the flexibility to be at my standing-desk on HN debating with people online while drinking my fancy glass bottle VOSS water from Norway. And the icing on the cake is probably the minimum 2 recruiter LinkedIn emails I get a week offering even more money. Also, I never negotiate salary. I just take the first offer so I assume I'm in the lower-range compared to most of HN.

Seriously, go try and explain this to the average lower/middle-class American outside of tech. This must look ridiculous. I'm right in the heart of this tech scene and I'm not even convinced we should be complaining.

Re: Judge rejects $324.5M settlement over Apple, Google hiring

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"The ruling by U.S. District Judge Lucy Koh in San Jose, California, said the proposed settlement amount "falls below the range of reasonableness," before dashing back to her new two million dollar home to pack for her European vacation.

In NorCal that's like, what, 2BR/2BA a mile away from any public transit?

Very true. I 48 years old and can remember reasonable home prices, so I kind of just did a Dr. Evil on that.
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