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Oracle's Declaration to Sun Customers ... and IBM

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Re: Oracle's Declaration to Sun Customers ... and IBM

#13
post #9

... dramatically improve hardware performance by tightly integrating Oracle software with Sun hardware Eh? The hardware and its performance stands alone. Adding software cannot improve the hardware. Only the software performance may be increased by better hardware utilization.

> Adding software cannot improve the hardware

What do you mean "eh"?

Software can definitely, without a doubt improve the performance of the hardware. That's what device drivers and firmware exist for.

Re: Oracle's Declaration to Sun Customers ... and IBM

#14
post #2

" ...tightly integrating Oracle software with Sun hardware." Does this mean support for Oracle software on Linux will slowly degrade? Oracle would likely prefer to sell you the entire suite of hardware, OS and software vs. just selling software.

When I was interviewing with the DB2 team for IBM, they mentioned that the high-end IBM database servers implement special instructions (CPU-level) for accelerating certain DB operations. I don't know any more details than that, but I'd guess that's where Oracle is going to go with SPARC.

Re: Oracle's Declaration to Sun Customers ... and IBM

#15
post #5

I really want to know what Orcale's real plan is. Before the acquisition they have to have figured out some way to reconcile Oracle Linux and Solaris, I just wish I knew what it was. No matter how you slice it, they are competing products in a very similar space. I suppose they could continue to develop both separately and take advantage of having two brands.

Oracle isn't really developing Oracle Linux since that's just RHEL. All they do is provide support.

Re: Oracle's Declaration to Sun Customers ... and IBM

#16
post #2

" ...tightly integrating Oracle software with Sun hardware." Does this mean support for Oracle software on Linux will slowly degrade? Oracle would likely prefer to sell you the entire suite of hardware, OS and software vs. just selling software.

SUN has variety of technologies especially in Storage(via StorageTek acquisition). Oracle can integrate backup and recovery strategy with StorageTek tapes, ZFS, for example. Also, db failover, High Availability can be achieved leveraging Solaris platform..

Re: Oracle's Declaration to Sun Customers ... and IBM

#17
post #9

... dramatically improve hardware performance by tightly integrating Oracle software with Sun hardware Eh? The hardware and its performance stands alone. Adding software cannot improve the hardware. Only the software performance may be increased by better hardware utilization.

> Adding software cannot improve the hardware What do you mean "eh"? Software can definitely, without a doubt improve the performance of the hardware. That's what device drivers and firmware exist for.

Note: I am distinguishing between software and firmware, here. My point is, if the overall performance improves after a software update, you have improved the software performance. The hardware performance is what it is.

Edit: If Michael Schumacher can drive my Honda Civic faster than I can, it's not because the car improved. It's because the driver's performance improved. It is capable of 160 HP even with nobody in the driver's seat.

Re: Oracle's Declaration to Sun Customers ... and IBM

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Adding software cannot improve the hardware What do you mean "eh"? Software can definitely, without a doubt improve the performance of the hardware. That's what device drivers and firmware exist for.

Note: I am distinguishing between software and firmware, here. My point is, if the overall performance improves after a software update, you have improved the software performance. The hardware performance is what it is. Edit: If Michael Schumacher can drive my Honda Civic faster than I can, it's not because the car improved. It's because the driver's performance improved. It is capable of 160 HP even with nobody in…

The point probably is specifically tuning the hardware for specific loads caused by specific software. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=815371

Re: Oracle's Declaration to Sun Customers ... and IBM

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note: I am distinguishing between software and firmware, here. My point is, if the overall performance improves after a software update, you have improved the software performance. The hardware performance is what it is. Edit: If Michael Schumacher can drive my Honda Civic faster than I can, it's not because the car improved. It's because the driver's performance improved. It is capable of 160 HP even with nobody in…

The point probably is specifically tuning the hardware for specific loads caused by specific software. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=815371

OK, this makes more sense to me. I would have said: "... dramatically improve hardware performance by tightly integrating Sun hardware with Oracle software".

Re: Oracle's Declaration to Sun Customers ... and IBM

#20
post #2

" ...tightly integrating Oracle software with Sun hardware." Does this mean support for Oracle software on Linux will slowly degrade? Oracle would likely prefer to sell you the entire suite of hardware, OS and software vs. just selling software.

SUN has variety of technologies especially in Storage(via StorageTek acquisition). Oracle can integrate backup and recovery strategy with StorageTek tapes, ZFS, for example. Also, db failover, High Availability can be achieved leveraging Solaris platform..

The StorageTek is a bit old school and horrid. The new Open Storage gear, on the other hand, is very interesting. Especially the web based analytics.
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