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Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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I think there is a bit of cognitive dissonance in the tech community about "disruption" versus "big companies." Technology, in general, makes it easier to scale companies to large sizes, and "disruption" often involves using technology to enter an existing industry that is dominated by small, inefficient companies. A great example is Uber. Uber is making the taxi market a lot more efficient, but it's also well on the…

I think big music labels are another example of corporations that have been disrupted less than folks here on HN might think.

Yes, iTunes changed the music industry, but who got killed? CD retailers, primarily. The bulk of music sold through iTunes is still licensed from big labels. Spotify licenses music from the big labels. Ads, TV shows, and movies license music from big labels. Heck even the most popular videos on YouTube are almost all the official Vevo versions of big-label songs.

Piracy is harming album sales, but because big labels have so much financial leverage over new artists, they have simply started requiring "360" deals for a lot of new contracts, which give them a cut of all revenue streams: not just albums, but also tour revenues, merchandise, media appearances, sync licences (ads and movies), even publishing in some cases.

Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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I think there is a bit of cognitive dissonance in the tech community about "disruption" versus "big companies." Technology, in general, makes it easier to scale companies to large sizes, and "disruption" often involves using technology to enter an existing industry that is dominated by small, inefficient companies. A great example is Uber. Uber is making the taxi market a lot more efficient, but it's also well on the…

I think big music labels are another example of corporations that have been disrupted less than folks here on HN might think. Yes, iTunes changed the music industry, but who got killed? CD retailers, primarily. The bulk of music sold through iTunes is still licensed from big labels. Spotify licenses music from the big labels. Ads, TV shows, and movies license music from big labels. Heck even the most popular videos o…

Reminds me of an article on /r/movies the other day about "XYZ didn't kill the movie industry, the movie industry killed itself".

Well... no. The movie industry is far from dead and is doing quite well for itself. It even avoided the mistakes the music labels made when they gave Apple too much power (a mistake that they have since recovered from).

Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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Private sector wages are quite high in places like San Francisco. Large successful corporations are great at incentivizing would-be startup owners into staying. Large companies are making money, the employees are creating value, and they're realizing some of the value as personal wealth.

People launch businesses when they have no better opportunity in front of them. In a rising economy with a record stock market, even the most capable people are finding significant upside within the companies they're employed by.

Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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democracy->oligarchy->dictatorship->collapse->democracy

Actually, I tend to think that the Iron Law of Oligarchy is correct. Dictatorships also converge to oligarchy. The autocrat still has to rely on his handlers and lieutenants for information. They become oligarchs.

Oligarchy gives way to aristocracy, which is more effete and less dangerous. Oligarchs want to be powerful. Aristocrats want to be other things (e.g. dignified, respectable, prestigious) and tend to let go of some of their power. The problem is that some aristocrats see the power vacuum and rush in, and then you get a new oligarchy, but one based solely on entitlement. That tends to lead to collapse, from which all sorts of systems can emerge.

Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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I think the author of the article went looking for stats to support a title. Corporate America has been disrupted however I think this article was looking for financial failure versus adapting to the market pressures.

The corporations below have faced massive disruption:

Kodak, HP, GM, Ford, JC Penney, Sears, McDonalds, Radio Shack, Circuit City, Best Buy, Borders, Barnes&Noble, IBM, Microsoft, Xerox, and Target have all been disrupted.

But most of them have adapted as the market changed because they had the resources to do so.

A small company has fewer resources so when adversity hits (housing crash in 2008) or the market shifts (Digital music versus record stores), those business are less likely to be able to shift.

Regarding the comments in the article on Entrepreneurs:

I think the article is using too much of the 2000's data to make a correlation to today. 2001 - 2010 was the dot com bubble, 9/11, unemployment at 9%, and the housing / financial crisis. Banks weren't lending money and people had little capital to borrow.

Compared to today: Banks are lending again, unemployment is 6.2%, people are spending and earning more, and everywhere you read about startups and entrepreneurs.

One last thing: I find it humorous when articles say that government regulations, licensure, or taxes prevent innovation and entrepreneurial activity. I have never heard somebody say "I'd totally build X but the tax incentives just aren't high enough".

Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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I keep saying to people in valleybubble.io that the rest of America is in something like a depression.

It might not meet the strict economic criteria of a depression, but the general sense is that there is no opportunity and that the future is only for the 1%. Wages are going down (or nominally flat and losing ground to inflation) and everything else is going up (or at least keeping up with inflation).

This is particularly true if you're not in the top ten to twelve (mostly coastal) major cities: San Francisco, New York, Seattle, Boston, "San Angeles," etc. The gap between rich and poor cities has noticeably worsened in the past 10-20 years. In the rich ones, the poor are being priced out. In the poor ones, there are no jobs and no routes to advancement. The long term trend is toward something resembling The Hunger Games, with the alpha coastal cities as "the capital" and the rest as "the precincts."

It looks not terribly unlike Japan post-bubble, but perhaps with streaks of Gilded Age and the 1970s cultural malaise. It's not pretty.

Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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Could other possible reasons be: 1) The companies innovating become large themselves and are now indistinguishable from the incumbents? 2) Silicon Valley is in a venture capital frenzy. VCs make money by exits. Innovative companies keep getting bought by the incumbents.

The author is looking at the economy broadly, not just tech and not just Silicon Valley.

Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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Though I find his point intriguing about corporate America entrenching itself, the graphs he has chosen to represent it are a bit misrepresented - most notably, the graph about startup failure rate. I disagree that the rate of failure in startups has risen significantly in the last 20 years - he cherry picked his data point from 1991 to 2011. The first fifteen years of that interval remain almost entirely flat. The s…

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Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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I agree with everything in OP, and this admittedly makes me sound like a dreamer, but I think there's a good chance that computer-aided radical decentralization is going to have a major effect on these numbers in the next few years.

The possibilities of blockchain technology (and other technology inspired by it) has barely even begun to percolate through society, and in theory it allows free agents to fill roles previously only viable inside of corporations.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Rad_Decentralization/

Re: Corporate America Hasn’t Been Disrupted

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I think the author of the article went looking for stats to support a title. Corporate America has been disrupted however I think this article was looking for financial failure versus adapting to the market pressures. The corporations below have faced massive disruption: Kodak, HP, GM, Ford, JC Penney, Sears, McDonalds, Radio Shack, Circuit City, Best Buy, Borders, Barnes&Noble, IBM, Microsoft, Xerox, and Target have…

>Kodak, HP, GM, Ford, JC Penney, Sears, McDonalds, Radio Shack, Circuit City, Best Buy, Borders, Barnes&Noble, IBM, Microsoft, Xerox, and Target have all been disrupted.

The irony there is a lot of them started out as disruptors themselves!

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