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How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

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Re: How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

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Just use unencrypted wifi but do anything that matters over a good VPN. Assume you can't trust your ISP and local network anyway. All this moaning about wifi security doesn't make sense to me.

I'd rather not keep on receiving DMCA notices from my ISP because my neighbors refuse to stop torrenting Game of Thrones the day it comes out.

A password on my wifi isn't to protect my traffic, it is to keep obnoxious neighbors from simply using my connection.

Re: How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

#22

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1. it's a WiFi client , in other words, mostly receiver . 2. even if it were an AP, transmitting at max power for hours, it would give out very limited power (zero, give or take measurement errors). 3. you're starting from assumption "wifi baaaad" without anything to support that claim; if it were a nuclear device, I'd see a cause for concern. [citation-sorely-needed] for this assumption.

WiFi APs do not have a power output of zero. Think about it for a minute, it makes no sense whatsoever.

"Zero, give or take measurement errors." As related to the GP's assumption "seems a bit harsh to the cat" - in other words, "why are you microwaving your cat, you monster!!111!", not as related to data transfer.

Edited to add the direct quote.

Re: How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WiFi APs do not have a power output of zero. Think about it for a minute, it makes no sense whatsoever.

"Zero, give or take measurement errors." As related to the GP's assumption "seems a bit harsh to the cat" - in other words, "why are you microwaving your cat, you monster!!111!", not as related to data transfer. Edited to add the direct quote.

That wasn't an assumption, that was the question.

Re: How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

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post #19

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There is nothing special about the use of 2.4 GHz for ovens. It is just where the regulations arbitrarily put that particular ISM band. Microwave ovens can work on 900 MHz as well.

Sure. And wearing a 900MHz one around your neck probably isn't a good idea either.

Based on what?

Re: How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

#25
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. it's a WiFi client , in other words, mostly receiver . 2. even if it were an AP, transmitting at max power for hours, it would give out very limited power (zero, give or take measurement errors). 3. you're starting from assumption "wifi baaaad" without anything to support that claim; if it were a nuclear device, I'd see a cause for concern. [citation-sorely-needed] for this assumption.

You know wifi operates in the microwave band, right? Microwave ovens operate in the 2.4 GHz band. Wifi is limited to 1 W total power output, but it's not nothing. Edit: More to the point, it's a good question, even if the answer is "no."

Indeed: 1 W is the legal _maximum_ as per FCC rules, part 15. Not even all APs are broadcasting at this power level, this is a WiFi client (meaning that it's only transmitting a few milliseconds out of a second), and this is several orders of magnitude below the power levels used by microwaves. In other words, it is "nothing" for the purpose of cooking your cat's brain.

This would be "guilt by association: microwave ovens will cook your brains if inserted, therefore anything else using microwaves will, too, no matter what the power."

Edit: I see that you didn't mean the question rhetorically - so yes, while this may be a valid concern in the design phase, the total exposure is infinitesimal, even in prolonged use.

Re: How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know wifi operates in the microwave band, right? Microwave ovens operate in the 2.4 GHz band. Wifi is limited to 1 W total power output, but it's not nothing. Edit: More to the point, it's a good question, even if the answer is "no."

Indeed: 1 W is the legal _maximum_ as per FCC rules, part 15. Not even all APs are broadcasting at this power level, this is a WiFi client (meaning that it's only transmitting a few milliseconds out of a second), and this is several orders of magnitude below the power levels used by microwaves. In other words, it is "nothing" for the purpose of cooking your cat's brain. This would be "guilt by association: microwave…

It's not "association". Wifi literally is microwaves. They're just not very strong ones.

Re: How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

#28
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This is a bit of a stretch. Chemtrails are a baseless assumption. EM radiation has a measurable effect matter. Why not make valid points instead of insulting people?

Non-Ionizing radiation means exactly that. http://www.hpa.org.uk/webw/HPAweb&Page&HPAwebAutoListName/Pa...

Non-ionizing radiation has biological effects. Magnetic fields have biological effects. This is not controversial! Many replicated experiments prove it!

I am not going to say Wifi causes cancer because I don't know (doubt it). But this reflexive bleating about non-ionizing radiation needs to stop. Radio waves do not have to break DNA to affect biological tissues. They can alter many important chemical reactions.

Re: How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

#29
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know wifi operates in the microwave band, right? Microwave ovens operate in the 2.4 GHz band. Wifi is limited to 1 W total power output, but it's not nothing. Edit: More to the point, it's a good question, even if the answer is "no."

There is nothing special about the use of 2.4 GHz for ovens. It is just where the regulations arbitrarily put that particular ISM band. Microwave ovens can work on 900 MHz as well.

It is chosen somewhat arbitrarily, but it's not completely random: see e.g. http://www.schoolphysics.co.uk/age16-19/Wave%20properties/Wa...

Re: How to Use Your Cat to Hack Your Neighbor’s Wi-Fi

#30
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit of a stretch. Chemtrails are a baseless assumption. EM radiation has a measurable effect matter. Why not make valid points instead of insulting people?

Non-Ionizing radiation means exactly that. http://www.hpa.org.uk/webw/HPAweb&Page&HPAwebAutoListName/Pa...

Non-ionizing radiation can still be harmful.

That said, the power levels emitted by wifi devices are so far below any safe exposure limits that it's laughable.

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