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Re: Don't be a jerk

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This is all too common with online communities, I am part of other online communities and you will always find people who post a question and receive great answers but the original poster will not even respond with a simple thank you.

More stringent rules when joining the community possibly?

Re: Don't be a jerk

#92

It seems like this is an instance of a more general trend: The commenting ecosystem is in decline. It's better than Reddit, but it's a shadow of what it once was. I've noticed downvotes are trending now. The downvotes do correct themselves... most of the time. But there's a lot more frivolous downvoting due to the influx of people that have attained downvote privileges but haven't really shunned the mindset of other…

The downvote trend increased after the comment scores were hidden.

Before that, only the most egregious comments would go below -2.

I guess that having a negative score was seen as a sufficient punition.

Re: Don't be a jerk

#93
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you get it at 500 karma. Maybe it'd be a good idea for the site admins to check the first 5-10 downvotes of someone who just received downvoting privileges, and if they're inappropriately used, take the downvoting privileges away from that person.

Some sort of double checking of downvotes is pretty common in many places that do support them. We had metamoderation even in good old slashdot. Now, at least there are plenty of HN users that are active looking at downvoted content, and bringing it back up if they think the downvote was unfair. This behavior could be used to evaluate frequent downvoters: If someone consistently downvotes comments that end up in the…

Ah, great idea!

Re: Don't be a jerk

#94
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post #41

Welcome to the internet. Maybe they erased the post by accident? How do you know that your answer solved their issue or was relevant? You might think that was the case but it might not be. In general, I think this is a extremely silly. I had instances where I would post about cloud infrastructure and somebody would crawl out of their hole to 'educate' me on colocation, thinking they are solving a ground breaking issu…

Please don't fall back on things like "welcome to the internet." One, it's needlessly snarky. Two, we would like this place to be better .

I'm glad you decided to pick out and focus on the first line from my comment.

Re: Don't be a jerk

#95
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've long thought that downvotes should require a comment. Perhaps a better idea is that dowvotes past a certain threshold require a comment. I know I've been downvoted in the past for various innocent comments and have no idea why the groupthink thought that comment in particular had to die. As has been observed here before, downvotes are often a normative function of the groupthink. But unless corrective action is…

Yep. I have been truly baffled more than once by a downvote on a comment. The first time it happened I made the mistake of asking why... and that one got downvoted even more. Strange.

Of course, questioning and complaining about downvotes is considered a downvotable offense here, since doing so doesn't contribute to the intellectual quality of the conversation. So that behavior is kind of encouraged in a way. Strange that the effect of downvoting itself isn't also considered a form of noise.

I don't know whether requiring comments for downvotes would help though - presumably if someone were willing or able to articulate the reason for their disagreement they would have done so. The last thing we need is for downvotes to be accompanied by threads full "idiot" and "shill," etc.

Re: Don't be a jerk

#96
post #68

It seems like this is an instance of a more general trend: The commenting ecosystem is in decline. It's better than Reddit, but it's a shadow of what it once was. I've noticed downvotes are trending now. The downvotes do correct themselves... most of the time. But there's a lot more frivolous downvoting due to the influx of people that have attained downvote privileges but haven't really shunned the mindset of other…

> It used to be that you could hold a contrarian opinion and not be at risk of being jumped on by the community or your position being misinterpreted. That seems no longer the case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8143432 Asking a question many times ("what law has been broken?") is a form of trolling. You may not have meant it as such, but that may well be how it's seen. Since the EU privacy directive is explai…

It's cool that your response here is to explain why the comment got down voted. It would be helpful if people would explain their down votes -- preferably in the concise and non-accusatory tone you used here. The down vote itself is unlikely to change behavior, but the explanation is potentially very helpful. Coming from Redit or the like, people might not realize there are communities where quality is important. It also gives you a chance to think "hey, am I down voting for good reason or just a difference of opinion?"

Re: Don't be a jerk

#97
post #41

Welcome to the internet. Maybe they erased the post by accident? How do you know that your answer solved their issue or was relevant? You might think that was the case but it might not be. In general, I think this is a extremely silly. I had instances where I would post about cloud infrastructure and somebody would crawl out of their hole to 'educate' me on colocation, thinking they are solving a ground breaking issu…

In general, I agree with you. The nature of internet commenting is such. There should be no expectation that the parent comment will continue to live -- the comment itself should be considered "owned" by the original poster, who has the prerogative to delete it. But that shouldn't be an excuse for any of us to refrain from providing feedback, insight, and advice online. In fact, we should continue to do so with the u…

Agreed. But if you are giving advice you should not do it because you expect a thank you.

While you might think your advice is 'good', other people might not. Nobody will thank you for bad advice.

There are way too many factors when it comes to communication on the internet.

Not everything falls under 'he did not thank me BECAUSE he is a jerk'.

Etc.

Re: Don't be a jerk

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post #52
post #41

Welcome to the internet. Maybe they erased the post by accident? How do you know that your answer solved their issue or was relevant? You might think that was the case but it might not be. In general, I think this is a extremely silly. I had instances where I would post about cloud infrastructure and somebody would crawl out of their hole to 'educate' me on colocation, thinking they are solving a ground breaking issu…

Please don't fall back on things like "welcome to the internet." One, it's needlessly snarky. Two, we would like this place to be better .

We'd like that, but... after a long time of people trying to build internet communities, from newsgroups to Slashdot to Reddit to HN, it seems like this may be what the internet is. Or, perhaps, this is what you get when you allow open membership.

Re: Don't be a jerk

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post #94
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't fall back on things like "welcome to the internet." One, it's needlessly snarky. Two, we would like this place to be better .

I'm glad you decided to pick out and focus on the first line from my comment.

Why do people say things like this? That first line is what's attracting downvotes. It's what people are going to respond to.

Someone is gently, politely, pointing out that the line "welcome to the Internet" is going to cause you problems and your response is to bicker?

Re: Don't be a jerk

#100
post #72

Was it an "Ask HN:"? It Took em some tries until I figured out that was just it, add "Ask HN:" to the title. I have deleted 2 earlier tries. Didn't see any responses though, but perhaps I should have hit F5. It could have been that someone was just being naive.

It wasn't you. Mistakes do happen, and maybe the incident in question was just one of those, but the sentiment remains.
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