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China Said to Exclude Apple From Procurement List

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Re: China Said to Exclude Apple From Procurement List

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A country the size of China with the technical expertise available to them can create an open stack that they can manage and control. They already have several hardware manufacturers in their territory to make any hardware they may need. I honestly don't see why they would ever have been buying Apple and Microsoft products in the first place, and I'm an American.

Apple is good, and it's already being assembled in China.

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Not too surprising. I'd expect the fallout and economic impact of mass surveillance to unfold over several years, with a gradual move away from US-based technology companies, including SaaS & PaaS, in favour of open source software and self-hosted solutions.

I wonder if there will be a comeback of self-hosted software in the near future just for the security and surveillance reasons, especially in business environment. There was the whole Cloud craze not so long ago, where many companies were pushing all their data outside local infrastructure, but I wonder if this is a good move in the long-term. SaaS has many advantages over "classic" solutions, but security and reliability was always a weak point and it may be a major factor against it in the future.

Re: China Said to Exclude Apple From Procurement List

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Not unexpected. Apple have more control over unrooted iphone (or even rooted) than the owner.

And how is that different from every piece of electronic equipment ever made ?

The creators of the OS always have more control over how the phone works than the owner. iOS is more locked down than Android (no access to root FS) but I would argue that 99% of users don't know the difference and just blindly install software from third parties.

Re: China Said to Exclude Apple From Procurement List

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Not unexpected. Apple have more control over unrooted iphone (or even rooted) than the owner.

And how is that different from every piece of electronic equipment ever made ? The creators of the OS always have more control over how the phone works than the owner. iOS is more locked down than Android (no access to root FS) but I would argue that 99% of users don't know the difference and just blindly install software from third parties.

99% of users? Maybe. But government employees with employer-provided devices often find those devices a bit locked-down by their employer.

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Can anyone chime in and help the rest of us understand the relationship between business and government in China? I can't help but think this is more of a move to help China's internal industries, but it's hard to say without understanding the political climate.

It's not dissimilar to every country really. Critical or large businesses e.g. energy, telecommunications always have an unusually close and unfettered relationship with government. In China it would likely be closer similar to say Russia.

Australia recently banned the use of Chinese equipment from our national broadband rollout for national security reasons so this isn't an unprecedented move.

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This isn't surprising at all considering our government seeked to block Huawei routers from being used in telecom infrastructure back in 2012 [1], over some of the same national security concerns.

[1] http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/08/us-usa-china-huawe...

Re: China Said to Exclude Apple From Procurement List

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This isn't surprising at all considering our government seeked to block Huawei routers from being used in telecom infrastructure back in 2012 [1], over some of the same national security concerns. [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/08/us-usa-china-huawe...

The difference being, of course, that US can in no way block the use of Chinese equipment, given that most of the hardware is actually manufactured in China (or neighboring countries).

Re: China Said to Exclude Apple From Procurement List

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A country the size of China with the technical expertise available to them can create an open stack that they can manage and control. They already have several hardware manufacturers in their territory to make any hardware they may need. I honestly don't see why they would ever have been buying Apple and Microsoft products in the first place, and I'm an American.

Couple thoughts.... An open stack would be a nightmare for any bureaucratic government to design and control/manage. And essentially they'd be playing catch-up to Apple/Google/whatever designs in the first place.

On top of that, at least in my experience, products made in China by Chinese companies are either knock-offs of western products, made cheaply, or they are just crappy products in general. Sure, the parts can be fabricated, but it's the product design that is sorely lacking. Again, this is anecdotal, so your mileage may vary.

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